Re: Driving on sand

[kmrohnst]

I just picked up a safari and we plan to use it out on sandy neck beach.  Can I safely deflate these tires to 18 lbs and be ok????


1992 Safari Sarengeti Diesel Pusher 

[Jim Exler]

First, please sign your posts with a name so we know who we are talking to. The coach ID is also necessary which you have.   To answer your question; NO!   I doubt that the tires would stay on the rims at such a low pressure.   Most of the Safari coaches weight in excess of 20,000 lbs.; my 30’ Sahara was 21,000.  The rear axle has nearly 16,000 lbs. on 4 tires which means somewhere near 4,000 lbs. bearing on a footprint of 100 square inches or less. Beach sand is rounded from the wave action and will roll rather than compact; you will be on ‘ball bearings’; but only till you sink up to the frame.   Best to stay on pavement or hard ground and ‘Jeep’ on the beach.   Jim Exler, Nampa, ID   From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 3:20 PM To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Safarifriends] Driving on sand    
I just picked up a safari and we plan to use it out on sandy neck beach.  Can I safely deflate these tires to 18 lbs and be ok????


1992 Safari Sarengeti Diesel Pusher

[Mr. G.]

I just picked up a safari and we plan to use it out on sandy neck beach.  Can I safely deflate these tires to 18 lbs and be ok????


1992 Safari Sarengeti Diesel Pusher 

[Gary Smith]

If you deflate your tires to 18 psi and move the coach you might as well start out by getting a price (installed and balanced) for the replacement tires, as they will have to be replaced.  Probably in excess of $3,000.  Quite a cost to see if will work as a dune buggy.

Gary

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 6:41 PM, 'Mr. G.' prieye@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
 
The coaches you see on Sandy Neck (cape Cod) are light weight pieces of balsa wood. A Safari is much, much heavier than those you see out there. You wouldn't make it up the first incline... and the tow bill would be enormous. I suggest you don't even consider it.  RG Moderator.  (Cape Cod and Naples)

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From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:20:22 -0700
Subject: [Safarifriends] Driving on sand



I just picked up a safari and we plan to use it out on sandy neck beach.  Can I safely deflate these tires to 18 lbs and be ok????


1992 Safari Sarengeti Diesel Pusher 

[Knollibe]

Ahh! I disagree some with my fellow safarians. You can deflate the drive tires for better traction on sand. All 4 on the rear. Deflated they will have a wider footprint. This is true. But you better have a plan B in case you sink it up to the axles. Is it worth the risk of getting stuck? Only if you have a spare day or so jacking and dragging your rig out of the sand.
Make sure they are re inflated for Hiway use. 
As for tire damage, you should not suffer any damage on your tires driving at 10 mph on sand. You do not want to contact any rocks that may break the bead. 

Dwayne Knoll96 safari Sahara. Off road driver for 30 plus years and my share of navigating sand and getting stuck. 

On Jun 12, 2016, at 2:20 PM, kmrohnst@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

I just picked up a safari and we plan to use it out on sandy neck beach.  Can I safely deflate these tires to 18 lbs and be ok????


1992 Safari Sarengeti Diesel Pusher 

[Dan Sample]

While tires designed for light loads have very flexible sidewalls, and can be run at low pressures to improve flotation.  Trying it with a tire designed to carry a heavy load, at best is likely to result in the beads coming off the rims, and likely to damage the tires.  Not to mention the motorhome up to its frame (not axles) in the sand.  Attempting to jack it up will simply result in the jack going down into the sand.  And if you can dig out a 20,000+ motorhome in a day, you're also likely to be faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.

From: "Knollibe knollibe@... [Safarifriends]"
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Driving on sand



Ahh! I disagree some with my fellow safarians. You can deflate the drive tires for better traction on sand. All 4 on the rear. Deflated they will have a wider footprint. This is true. But you better have a plan B in case you sink it up to the axles. Is it worth the risk of getting stuck? Only if you have a spare day or so jacking and dragging your rig out of the sand.
Make sure they are re inflated for Hiway use. 
As for tire damage, you should not suffer any damage on your tires driving at 10 mph on sand. You do not want to contact any rocks that may break the bead. 

Dwayne Knoll96 safari Sahara. Off road driver for 30 plus years and my share of navigating sand and getting stuck. 


On Jun 12, 2016, at 2:20 PM, kmrohnst@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

I just picked up a safari and we plan to use it out on sandy neck beach.  Can I safely deflate these tires to 18 lbs and be ok????
1992 Safari Sarengeti Diesel Pusher 

[Keith Bowers]

Do not reduce pressure below 50% or until the rears touch between them whichever is highest. Low creeping speed stopping every couple of miles to feel them for overheating. 

On Sunday, June 12, 2016, kmrohnst@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
 

I just picked up a safari and we plan to use it out on sandy neck beach.  Can I safely deflate these tires to 18 lbs and be ok????


1992 Safari Sarengeti Diesel Pusher 

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[Bill Edwards]

Great humor in all of these replies so my two  bits....don't, for all of the above reasons. Lastly, If one reads far enough through all of the low pressure conversations it comes up that these tires do not like to be in a deflated condition and driven any distance that causes stress on the casing. This includes asphalt for any distance. If it happens, it is recommended by the manufacturers to " remove the wheel, deflate and remove for inspection". What do most of us do, yup filler up and see if there is going to be an issue and most of the time we get away with it.
Bill Edwards 1999 455 Panther

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 6:26 PM, "Dan Sample mtdansample@... [Safarifriends]" wrote:


  While tires designed for light loads have very flexible sidewalls, and can be run at low pressures to improve flotation.  Trying it with a tire designed to carry a heavy load, at best is likely to result in the beads coming off the rims, and likely to damage the tires.  Not to mention the motorhome up to its frame (not axles) in the sand.  Attempting to jack it up will simply result in the jack going down into the sand.  And if you can dig out a 20,000+ motorhome in a day, you're also likely to be faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.

From: "Knollibe knollibe@... [Safarifriends]"
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Driving on sand



Ahh! I disagree some with my fellow safarians. You can deflate the drive tires for better traction on sand. All 4 on the rear. Deflated they will have a wider footprint. This is true. But you better have a plan B in case you sink it up to the axles. Is it worth the risk of getting stuck? Only if you have a spare day or so jacking and dragging your rig out of the sand.
Make sure they are re inflated for Hiway use. 
As for tire damage, you should not suffer any damage on your tires driving at 10 mph on sand. You do not want to contact any rocks that may break the bead. 

Dwayne Knoll96 safari Sahara. Off road driver for 30 plus years and my share of navigating sand and getting stuck. 


On Jun 12, 2016, at 2:20 PM, kmrohnst@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

I just picked up a safari and we plan to use it out on sandy neck beach.  Can I safely deflate these tires to 18 lbs and be ok????
1992 Safari Sarengeti Diesel Pusher 

[kevin rohnstrom]

Thanks for all the responses.  The beach is actually very packed down from the 100's of motor homes going off and on weekly.  I see the larger diesel units parked only at the beginning where it is more of a dirt road than a beach.  I'm going to try tomorrow and roll the dice.  
Kevin - 1992 Safari Serengeti 

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On Sunday, June 12, 2016, 11:47 PM, Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends] wrote:  
Great humor in all of these replies so my two  bits....don't, for all of the above reasons. Lastly, If one reads far enough through all of the low pressure conversations it comes up that these tires do not like to be in a deflated condition and driven any distance that causes stress on the casing. This includes asphalt for any distance. If it happens, it is recommended by the manufacturers to " remove the wheel, deflate and remove for inspection". What do most of us do, yup filler up and see if there is going to be an issue and most of the time we get away with it.
Bill Edwards 1999 455 Panther

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 6:26 PM, "Dan Sample mtdansample@... [Safarifriends]" wrote:


  While tires designed for light loads have very flexible sidewalls, and can be run at low pressures to improve flotation.  Trying it with a tire designed to carry a heavy load, at best is likely to result in the beads coming off the rims, and likely to damage the tires.  Not to mention the motorhome up to its frame (not axles) in the sand.  Attempting to jack it up will simply result in the jack going down into the sand.  And if you can dig out a 20,000+ motorhome in a day, you're also likely to be faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.

From: "Knollibe knollibe@... [Safarifriends]"
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Driving on sand



Ahh! I disagree some with my fellow safarians. You can deflate the drive tires for better traction on sand. All 4 on the rear. Deflated they will have a wider footprint. This is true. But you better have a plan B in case you sink it up to the axles. Is it worth the risk of getting stuck? Only if you have a spare day or so jacking and dragging your rig out of the sand.
Make sure they are re inflated for Hiway use. 
As for tire damage, you should not suffer any damage on your tires driving at 10 mph on sand. You do not want to contact any rocks that may break the bead. 

Dwayne Knoll96 safari Sahara. Off road driver for 30 plus years and my share of navigating sand and getting stuck. 


On Jun 12, 2016, at 2:20 PM, kmrohnst@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

I just picked up a safari and we plan to use it out on sandy neck beach.  Can I safely deflate these tires to 18 lbs and be ok????
1992 Safari Sarengeti Diesel Pusher 

[Colin Caldwell]

Good luck and please let us know how it goes for you.
Colin Caldwell97' Sahara 3506


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On Jun 13, 2016, at 4:30 PM, "kevin rohnstrom kmrohnst@... [Safarifriends]" wrote:

 
Thanks for all the responses.  The beach is actually very packed down from the 100's of motor homes going off and on weekly.  I see the larger diesel units parked only at the beginning where it is more of a dirt road than a beach.  I'm going to try tomorrow and roll the dice.  
Kevin - 1992 Safari Serengeti 

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Sunday, June 12, 2016, 11:47 PM, Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends] wrote:  
Great humor in all of these replies so my two  bits....don't, for all of the above reasons. Lastly, If one reads far enough through all of the low pressure conversations it comes up that these tires do not like to be in a deflated condition and driven any distance that causes stress on the casing. This includes asphalt for any distance. If it happens, it is recommended by the manufacturers to " remove the wheel, deflate and remove for inspection". What do most of us do, yup filler up and see if there is going to be an issue and most of the time we get away with it.
Bill Edwards 1999 455 Panther

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 6:26 PM, "Dan Sample mtdansample@... [Safarifriends]" wrote:


  While tires designed for light loads have very flexible sidewalls, and can be run at low pressures to improve flotation.  Trying it with a tire designed to carry a heavy load, at best is likely to result in the beads coming off the rims, and likely to damage the tires.  Not to mention the motorhome up to its frame (not axles) in the sand.  Attempting to jack it up will simply result in the jack going down into the sand.  And if you can dig out a 20,000+ motorhome in a day, you're also likely to be faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.

From: "Knollibe knollibe@... [Safarifriends]"
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Driving on sand



Ahh! I disagree some with my fellow safarians. You can deflate the drive tires for better traction on sand. All 4 on the rear. Deflated they will have a wider footprint. This is true. But you better have a plan B in case you sink it up to the axles. Is it worth the risk of getting stuck? Only if you have a spare day or so jacking and dragging your rig out of the sand.
Make sure they are re inflated for Hiway use. 
As for tire damage, you should not suffer any damage on your tires driving at 10 mph on sand. You do not want to contact any rocks that may break the bead. 

Dwayne Knoll96 safari Sahara. Off road driver for 30 plus years and my share of navigating sand and getting stuck. 


On Jun 12, 2016, at 2:20 PM, kmrohnst@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

I just picked up a safari and we plan to use it out on sandy neck beach.  Can I safely deflate these tires to 18 lbs and be ok????
1992 Safari Sarengeti Diesel Pusher