Re: FIXED 1997 Sahara Safari Not Starting

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Re: FIXED 1997 Sahara Safari Not Starting

Post by Joe George »

'Before I sheepishly admit to my mistake I want to express my gratitude and concur with others who have said what a GREAT group this is.

What James describes below was exactly my issue. I put ground wires to the positive terminal. I must get better with my crayons.

Thanks again to all.
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On Sat, 5/5/18, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] 1997 Sahara Safari Not Starting
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Saturday, May 5, 2018, 2:10 PM


 















Joe,

On my 98, the negative wires had white insulation and
from the pictures it looks like the positive were either red
or black. Check under the flex tubing for the color. There
would never be a fuse in a ground wire either.




I don't know if the wires were marked but mine had
the service stenciled on the wiring every 12"
inches.

I'm betting that at least 2 of the positives you have
should be ground.

Tell me how many pins are in the ECU connectors and
I'll tell you which pins should be the ground for a
continuity test.




Jim Exler, Nampa, ID







On 5/5/2018 1:05
PM, Joe George

jumpnjoe59@... [Safarifriends] wrote:






 



So checked as suggested below.  Here is a description of
the 10 gauge configuration







Back battery pos post has 2 10 gauge wires


Front battery pos post has 4 10  gauge wires


Front battery net post has 1 10 gauge wire





Joe 3550 3126b allison 6 sp


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On Sat, 5/5/18, TD

sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]

wrote:





Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] 1997 Sahara Safari Not
Starting


To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y."




Date: Saturday, May 5, 2018, 12:43 PM








 











 








   


     


     


      Joe,





Last year a Doug had a similar problem,


and his problem ended up being a broken wire on the back


side of the service bay, where you can start the engine


remotely. So I would suggest checking there too. I know
this


may seem repetitive, but considering what Jim E.
mentioned


yesterday, I would suggest to triple check that a 12
gauge


ground wire did not slip away some where and is hiding on


you, as by your description, it sounds like you are short
of


a small gauge ground wire..





John


'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA,


Allison


6spd.





On Sat,


May 5, 2018 at 1:27 PM, Joe George

jumpnjoe59@...


[Safarifriends]




wrote:


Have double checked the battery connections and


fuses in the battery compartment with no change.  Have
no


air heater light or check engine light all others light
up


when key is turned on.  The shifter lights up also.. 
Are


there any other fuses in the engine area or up front that


need to be checked?











Joe,1997 3550 Sahara, 3126b, 6 sp allison





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On Fri, 5/4/18, Joe George




wrote:











 Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] 1997 Sahara Safari Not


Starting





 To:

Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com





 Date: Friday, May 4, 2018, 8:00 AM

















             Sorry forgot to include my signature





 block.





 Joe, 1997





 Sahara 3550, Allison 6 Sp, 3126B











            





            





                





                    





                    





                         On Friday, May 4,


2018, 7:55:54 AM





 MDT, Joe George

jumpnjoe59@...


[Safarifriends]





  wrote:





                    





                    











                    











                    





  























  

















    





      





      





      





             Thanks to all for the quick
replies. 


I





 will recheck the wiring and connections to the


batteries





 today.  I checked the fuses on the wires yesterday. 
Is


it





 reasonable to assume without the air intake heater and


check





 engine not illuminating the RV wouldn't crank. 





 Assuming the bulbs are not just burned out (which is
not


my





 case...I refuse to believe both went out





 simultaneously). 





 Without taking





 pictures...there are 3 10-12 gauge wires that go the





 positive post of the front battery.  2 seem to run


back





 somewhere into the coach and the other comes into the





 battery from the left side.  There is a single 10-12


gauge





 wire that runs to the front negative side of the batter


in





 the same bundle from the previously mentioned





 2.





 I don't think it is





 a battery issue but will check that also.  























            





            





                





                    





                    





                         On Thursday, May 3,


2018, 10:30:53





 PM MDT, Robert Lewis

robert.lewis.tl@...





 [Safarifriends] wrote:





                    





                    











                    











                    





  























  

















    





      





      





      























 Check the voltage on the battery bank when





 cranking. You might have a bad/shorted plate in one


battery





 giving low voltage and it will crank but not start. I


had





 the same problem..... year old batteries but would not


hold





 up when cranking, even though at no load I had full


voltage.





 For $19.95 you can get a battery load tester at Harbor





 Freight. 





 Robert and





 Bev Lewis2000 Continental3126B Cat,





 330hpMD3060 Allison



































 On May 3, 2018 3:27:53 PM





 "jumpnjoe59@...


[Safarifriends]"





  wrote:





























 





  























  

















    





      





      





       Drove my Safari to winter storage in





 Oct 17.  Removed all 6 batteries to trickle charge. 





 Installed cranking batteries yesterday.  When I went


to





 start the RV.  When I turn the key to on there is no


air





 intake heater light and no check engine light.  The


engine





 turns over but does not crank.  I drew a wiring


diagram





 before unhooking the batteries. So I feel like I hooked


th





 wires back correctly but that really is the only thing


that





 has changed since I last drove her.  Pretty sure the


intake





 heater and check engine light need to be energized for


the





 engine to crank. 





 Joe, 1997 Safari, 3126b,





 Allison 6spd











    





     











    





    























  



















































































    





     











    





    























                





            











    





     











    





    























                





            

















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Re: FIXED 1997 Sahara Safari Not Starting

Post by James Exler »

'





Joe,

Great news; I'm glad I could be of help.

From this I would strongly suggest that everyone go out and get a roll of RED electrical tape and wrap the positive cables and wires to make future connections easily identified. If the negatives are not black, add black tape to them.

Jim Exler


On 5/5/2018 2:29 PM, Joe George jumpnjoe59@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

 


Before I sheepishly admit to my mistake I want to express my gratitude and concur with others who have said what a GREAT group this is.

What James describes below was exactly my issue. I put ground wires to the positive terminal. I must get better with my crayons.


Thanks again to all.
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On Sat, 5/5/18, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends] Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] 1997 Sahara Safari Not Starting
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 5, 2018, 2:10 PM


 















Joe,

On my 98, the negative wires had white insulation and
from the pictures it looks like the positive were either red
or black. Check under the flex tubing for the color. There
would never be a fuse in a ground wire either.




I don't know if the wires were marked but mine had
the service stenciled on the wiring every 12"
inches.

I'm betting that at least 2 of the positives you have
should be ground.

Tell me how many pins are in the ECU connectors and
I'll tell you which pins should be the ground for a
continuity test.




Jim Exler, Nampa, ID







On 5/5/2018 1:05
PM, Joe George

jumpnjoe59@... [Safarifriends] wrote:






 



So checked as suggested below.  Here is a description of
the 10 gauge configuration







Back battery pos post has 2 10 gauge wires


Front battery pos post has 4 10  gauge wires


Front battery net post has 1 10 gauge wire





Joe 3550 3126b allison 6 sp


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On Sat, 5/5/18, TD

sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]


Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com wrote:





Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] 1997 Sahara Safari Not
Starting


To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y."

Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com


Date: Saturday, May 5, 2018, 12:43 PM








 











 








   


     


     


      Joe,





Last year a Doug had a similar problem,


and his problem ended up being a broken wire on the back


side of the service bay, where you can start the engine


remotely. So I would suggest checking there too. I know
this


may seem repetitive, but considering what Jim E.
mentioned


yesterday, I would suggest to triple check that a 12
gauge


ground wire did not slip away some where and is hiding on


you, as by your description, it sounds like you are short
of


a small gauge ground wire..





John


'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA,


Allison


6spd.





On Sat,


May 5, 2018 at 1:27 PM, Joe George

jumpnjoe59@...


[Safarifriends]

Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com


wrote:


Have double checked the battery connections and


fuses in the battery compartment with no change.  Have
no


air heater light or check engine light all others light
up


when key is turned on.  The shifter lights up also.. 
Are


there any other fuses in the engine area or up front that


need to be checked?











Joe,1997 3550 Sahara, 3126b, 6 sp allison





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On Fri, 5/4/18, Joe George

jumpnjoe59@...


wrote:











 Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] 1997 Sahara Safari Not


Starting





 To:

Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com





 Date: Friday, May 4, 2018, 8:00 AM

















             Sorry forgot to include my signature





 block.





 Joe, 1997





 Sahara 3550, Allison 6 Sp, 3126B











            





            





                





                    





                    





                         On Friday, May 4,


2018, 7:55:54 AM





 MDT, Joe George

jumpnjoe59@...


[Safarifriends]





  wrote:





                    





                    











                    











                    





  























  

















    





      





      





      





             Thanks to all for the quick
replies. 


I





 will recheck the wiring and connections to the


batteries





 today.  I checked the fuses on the wires yesterday. 
Is


it





 reasonable to assume without the air intake heater and


check





 engine not illuminating the RV wouldn't crank. 





 Assuming the bulbs are not just burned out (which is
not


my





 case...I refuse to believe both went out





 simultaneously). 





 Without taking





 pictures...there are 3 10-12 gauge wires that go the





 positive post of the front battery.  2 seem to run


back





 somewhere into the coach and the other comes into the





 battery from the left side.  There is a single 10-12


gauge





 wire that runs to the front negative side of the batter


in





 the same bundle from the previously mentioned





 2.





 I don't think it is





 a battery issue but will check that also.  























            





            





                





                    





                    





                         On Thursday, May 3,


2018, 10:30:53





 PM MDT, Robert Lewis

robert.lewis.tl@...





 [Safarifriends] wrote:





                    





                    











                    











                    





  























  

















    





      





      





      























 Check the voltage on the battery bank when





 cranking. You might have a bad/shorted plate in one


battery





 giving low voltage and it will crank but not start. I


had





 the same problem..... year old batteries but would not


hold





 up when cranking, even though at no load I had full


voltage.





 For $19.95 you can get a battery load tester at Harbor





 Freight. 





 Robert and





 Bev Lewis2000 Continental3126B Cat,





 330hpMD3060 Allison



































 On May 3, 2018 3:27:53 PM





 "jumpnjoe59@...


[Safarifriends]"





  wrote:





























 





  























  

















    





      





      





       Drove my Safari to winter storage in





 Oct 17.  Removed all 6 batteries to trickle charge. 





 Installed cranking batteries yesterday.  When I went


to





 start the RV.  When I turn the key to on there is no


air





 intake heater light and no check engine light.  The


engine





 turns over but does not crank.  I drew a wiring


diagram





 before unhooking the batteries. So I feel like I hooked


th





 wires back correctly but that really is the only thing


that





 has changed since I last drove her.  Pretty sure the


intake





 heater and check engine light need to be energized for


the





 engine to crank. 





 Joe, 1997 Safari, 3126b,





 Allison 6spd











    





     











    





    























  



















































































    





     











    





    























                





            











    





     











    





    























                





            

















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Re: FIXED 1997 Sahara Safari Not Starting

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'Attachments :The wiring codes for A/C power –like your house, and DC automotive power are different.  Household power has BLACK as ‘hot’ , white as Neutral/ground, Green as Earth and Red a hot-1 phase different than the Black hot.  D/C automotive has Black as Negative (ground) and Red or White as Positive (hot)  Sent from Mail for Windows 10  From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2018 3:51 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] FIXED 1997 Sahara Safari Not Starting   
Joe,
Great news; I'm glad I could be of help.
From this I would strongly suggest that everyone go out and get a roll of RED electrical tape and wrap the positive cables and wires to make future connections easily identified. If the negatives are not black, add black tape to them.
Jim Exler  On 5/5/2018 2:29 PM, Joe George jumpnjoe59@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
  Before I sheepishly admit to my mistake I want to express my gratitude and concur with others who have said what a GREAT group this is.

What James describes below was exactly my issue. I put ground wires to the positive terminal. I must get better with my crayons.

Thanks again to all.
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On Sat, 5/5/18, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends] Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] 1997 Sahara Safari Not Starting
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 5, 2018, 2:10 PM


 















Joe,

On my 98, the negative wires had white insulation and
from the pictures it looks like the positive were either red
or black. Check under the flex tubing for the color. There
would never be a fuse in a ground wire either.




I don't know if the wires were marked but mine had
the service stenciled on the wiring every 12"
inches.

I'm betting that at least 2 of the positives you have
should be ground.

Tell me how many pins are in the ECU connectors and
I'll tell you which pins should be the ground for a
continuity test.




Jim Exler, Nampa, ID







On 5/5/2018 1:05
PM, Joe George

jumpnjoe59@... [Safarifriends] wrote:






 



So checked as suggested below.  Here is a description of
the 10 gauge configuration







Back battery pos post has 2 10 gauge wires


Front battery pos post has 4 10  gauge wires


Front battery net post has 1 10 gauge wire





Joe 3550 3126b allison 6 sp


--------------------------------------------


On Sat, 5/5/18, TD

sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]

Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com wrote:





Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] 1997 Sahara Safari Not
Starting


To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y."

Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com


Date: Saturday, May 5, 2018, 12:43 PM








 











 








   


     


     


      Joe,





Last year a Doug had a similar problem,


and his problem ended up being a broken wire on the back


side of the service bay, where you can start the engine


remotely. So I would suggest checking there too. I know
this


may seem repetitive, but considering what Jim E.
mentioned


yesterday, I would suggest to triple check that a 12
gauge


ground wire did not slip away some where and is hiding on


you, as by your description, it sounds like you are short
of


a small gauge ground wire..





John


'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA,


Allison


6spd.





On Sat,


May 5, 2018 at 1:27 PM, Joe George

jumpnjoe59@...


[Safarifriends]

Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com


wrote:


Have double checked the battery connections and


fuses in the battery compartment with no change.  Have
no


air heater light or check engine light all others light
up


when key is turned on.  The shifter lights up also.. 
Are


there any other fuses in the engine area or up front that


need to be checked?











Joe,1997 3550 Sahara, 3126b, 6 sp allison





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On Fri, 5/4/18, Joe George

jumpnjoe59@...


wrote:











 Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] 1997 Sahara Safari Not


Starting





 To:

Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com





 Date: Friday, May 4, 2018, 8:00 AM

















             Sorry forgot to include my signature





 block.





 Joe, 1997





 Sahara 3550, Allison 6 Sp, 3126B











            





            





                





                    





                    





                         On Friday, May 4,


2018, 7:55:54 AM





 MDT, Joe George

jumpnjoe59@...


[Safarifriends]





  wrote:





                    





                    











                    











                    





  























  

















    





      





      





      





             Thanks to all for the quick
replies. 


I





 will recheck the wiring and connections to the


batteries





 today.  I checked the fuses on the wires yesterday. 
Is


it





 reasonable to assume without the air intake heater and


check





 engine not illuminating the RV wouldn't crank. 





 Assuming the bulbs are not just burned out (which is
not


my





 case...I refuse to believe both went out





 simultaneously). 





 Without taking





 pictures...there are 3 10-12 gauge wires that go the





 positive post of the front battery.  2 seem to run


back





 somewhere into the coach and the other comes into the





 battery from the left side.  There is a single 10-12


gauge





 wire that runs to the front negative side of the batter


in





 the same bundle from the previously mentioned





 2.





 I don't think it is





 a battery issue but will check that also.  























            





            





                





                    





                    





                         On Thursday, May 3,


2018, 10:30:53





 PM MDT, Robert Lewis

robert.lewis.tl@...





 [Safarifriends] wrote:





                    





                    











                    











                    





  























  

















    





      





      





      























 Check the voltage on the battery bank when





 cranking. You might have a bad/shorted plate in one


battery





 giving low voltage and it will crank but not start. I


had





 the same problem..... year old batteries but would not


hold





 up when cranking, even though at no load I had full


voltage.





 For $19.95 you can get a battery load tester at Harbor





 Freight. 





 Robert and





 Bev Lewis2000 Continental3126B Cat,





 330hpMD3060 Allison



































 On May 3, 2018 3:27:53 PM





 "jumpnjoe59@...


[Safarifriends]"





  wrote:





























 





  























  

















    





      





      





       Drove my Safari to winter storage in





 Oct 17.  Removed all 6 batteries to trickle charge. 





 Installed cranking batteries yesterday.  When I went


to





 start the RV.  When I turn the key to on there is no


air





 intake heater light and no check engine light.  The


engine





 turns over but does not crank.  I drew a wiring


diagram





 before unhooking the batteries. So I feel like I hooked


th





 wires back correctly but that really is the only thing


that





 has changed since I last drove her.  Pretty sure the


intake





 heater and check engine light need to be energized for


the





 engine to crank. 





 Joe, 1997 Safari, 3126b,





 Allison 6spd











    





     











    





    























  



















































































    





     











    





    























                





            











    





     











    





    























                





            

















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