'Has anyone had brake problems with their safari. I have a 2000
Seregenti and the ABS light is on. Found I had 2 bad abs sensors and I
replaced them. Now it feels like the brakes are locking up when I
drive it. Could the master cylinder be bad. I would appreciate any
info from others.
Thanks
George'
brakes
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glen milender
- Posts: 27
- Joined: Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:48 am
Re: brakes
'George - I'll tell you what happened recently to me - you can decide if it's relevant. I was having trouble with a front brake caliper not opening after being used. I should say that my 96 Serengeti was a repo that must have sat a long time (only 45,00 mi). Anyway I tried to work on that caliper but couldn't get to open. I took it to the shop and had to replace two calipers and turn all rotors. Cost approx 1700-1800 dollars. This is Northern Mn so labor might be cheaper. Hope it helps. Glen Milender
11/8/08, George wrote:
11/8/08, George wrote:
'From: George
Subject: [Safarifriends] brakes
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 6:48 PM
Has anyone had brake problems with their safari. I have a 2000
Seregenti and the ABS light is on. Found I had 2 bad abs sensors and I
replaced them. Now it feels like the brakes are locking up when I
drive it. Could the master cylinder be bad. I would appreciate any
info from others.
Thanks
George
Re: brakes
'mine was also a repo having sat for a while. i replaced the drivers side caliper also but both from one seem to stick when i get hard on the brakes. The abs lite is on and i do not know how to get it off. I was wondering if anyone knew how? Thanks George
From: glen milender
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2008 10:34:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] brakes
George - I'll tell you what happened recently to me - you can decide if it's relevant. I was having trouble with a front brake caliper not opening after being used. I should say that my 96 Serengeti was a repo that must have sat a long time (only 45,00 mi). Anyway I tried to work on that caliper but couldn't get to open. I took it to the shop and had to replace two calipers and turn all rotors. Cost approx 1700-1800 dollars. This is Northern Mn so labor might be cheaper. Hope it helps. Glen Milender
11/8/08, George wrote:
From: glen milender
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2008 10:34:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] brakes
George - I'll tell you what happened recently to me - you can decide if it's relevant. I was having trouble with a front brake caliper not opening after being used. I should say that my 96 Serengeti was a repo that must have sat a long time (only 45,00 mi). Anyway I tried to work on that caliper but couldn't get to open. I took it to the shop and had to replace two calipers and turn all rotors. Cost approx 1700-1800 dollars. This is Northern Mn so labor might be cheaper. Hope it helps. Glen Milender
11/8/08, George wrote:
'From: George
Subject: [Safarifriends] brakes
To: Safarifriends@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 6:48 PM
Has anyone had brake problems with their safari. I have a 2000
Seregenti and the ABS light is on. Found I had 2 bad abs sensors and I
replaced them. Now it feels like the brakes are locking up when I
drive it. Could the master cylinder be bad. I would appreciate any
info from others.
Thanks
George
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Denny Fogle
- Posts: 23
- Joined: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:08 pm
Re: brakes
'--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, g umstead wrote:
changed under that recall.
caliper not opening after being used. I should say that my 96
Serengeti was a repo that must have sat a long time (only 45,00 mi).
Anyway I tried to work on that caliper but couldn't get to open. I
took it to the shop and had to replace two calipers and turn all
rotors. Cost approx 1700-1800 dollars. This is Northern Mn so labor
might be cheaper. Hope it helps. Glen Milender
previous owner of my 99 contential that the front calipers were>I know that there was a recall on some calipers, I was told by the
changed under that recall.
decide if it's relevant. I was having trouble with a front brake>
>
> ________________________________
> From: glen milender
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2008 10:34:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] brakes
>
>
> George - I'll tell you what happened recently to me - you can
caliper not opening after being used. I should say that my 96
Serengeti was a repo that must have sat a long time (only 45,00 mi).
Anyway I tried to work on that caliper but couldn't get to open. I
took it to the shop and had to replace two calipers and turn all
rotors. Cost approx 1700-1800 dollars. This is Northern Mn so labor
might be cheaper. Hope it helps. Glen Milender
and I>
> 11/8/08, George wrote:
>
> From: George
> Subject: [Safarifriends] brakes
> To: Safarifriends@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 6:48 PM
>
>
>
> Has anyone had brake problems with their safari. I have a 2000
> Seregenti and the ABS light is on. Found I had 2 bad abs sensors
'> replaced them. Now it feels like the brakes are locking up when I
> drive it. Could the master cylinder be bad. I would appreciate any
> info from others.
> Thanks
> George
>
Re: brakes
'On our '93 Continental, I had the left front caliper lock up. I took
it all apart and couldn't find anything. Next day, the right one did
the same thing.
Both problems occurred after a hard brake application.
Turned out the problem was the flexible hoses to the front brakes.
These hoses deteriorate from the inside. With a hard brake
application, the hoses stretch more than normal, a piece of rubber
will come loose inside the hose and block the fluid from returning to
the master cylinder.
The hydraulic shop guy said he had seen this many times.
Hope this helps... Tad
it all apart and couldn't find anything. Next day, the right one did
the same thing.
Both problems occurred after a hard brake application.
Turned out the problem was the flexible hoses to the front brakes.
These hoses deteriorate from the inside. With a hard brake
application, the hoses stretch more than normal, a piece of rubber
will come loose inside the hose and block the fluid from returning to
the master cylinder.
The hydraulic shop guy said he had seen this many times.
Hope this helps... Tad
'--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "George" wrote:
>
>
> Has anyone had brake problems with their safari. I have a 2000
> Seregenti and the ABS light is on. Found I had 2 bad abs sensors and I
> replaced them. Now it feels like the brakes are locking up when I
> drive it. Could the master cylinder be bad. I would appreciate any
> info from others.
> Thanks
> George
>
Re: brakes
'you are so right and i'll check this out today. Forgot all about this situation. THANKS.........George
From: fqo65
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:41:35 AM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: brakes
On our '93 Continental, I had the left front caliper lock up. I took
it all apart and couldn't find anything. Next day, the right one did
the same thing.
Both problems occurred after a hard brake application.
Turned out the problem was the flexible hoses to the front brakes.
These hoses deteriorate from the inside. With a hard brake
application, the hoses stretch more than normal, a piece of rubber
will come loose inside the hose and block the fluid from returning to
the master cylinder.
The hydraulic shop guy said he had seen this many times.
Hope this helps... Tad
From: fqo65
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:41:35 AM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: brakes
On our '93 Continental, I had the left front caliper lock up. I took
it all apart and couldn't find anything. Next day, the right one did
the same thing.
Both problems occurred after a hard brake application.
Turned out the problem was the flexible hoses to the front brakes.
These hoses deteriorate from the inside. With a hard brake
application, the hoses stretch more than normal, a piece of rubber
will come loose inside the hose and block the fluid from returning to
the master cylinder.
The hydraulic shop guy said he had seen this many times.
Hope this helps... Tad
'--- In Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com, "George" wrote:
>
>
> Has anyone had brake problems with their safari. I have a 2000
> Seregenti and the ABS light is on. Found I had 2 bad abs sensors and I
> replaced them. Now it feels like the brakes are locking up when I
> drive it. Could the master cylinder be bad. I would appreciate any
> info from others.
> Thanks
> George
>
Re: brakes
'When I bought our '96 Sahara in '06 it only had 42K miles. The brake
fluid was black. Had the system flushed out, all lines removed from
calipers and blown out with air hose. Re-filled system system and
bleed. Had lots of gunk in both lines and calipers.
So far so good. Also, the caliper sits in a thing called the
saddle. When the brakes are applied the caliper moves sideways in
the saddle. If this area is not lubed, the caliper will not move
sideways properly and when the brakes are released the caliper does
not move back causing the outside brake shoe to drag.
This is a lube point that is almost never serviced.
Jim
'96 Sahara
fluid was black. Had the system flushed out, all lines removed from
calipers and blown out with air hose. Re-filled system system and
bleed. Had lots of gunk in both lines and calipers.
So far so good. Also, the caliper sits in a thing called the
saddle. When the brakes are applied the caliper moves sideways in
the saddle. If this area is not lubed, the caliper will not move
sideways properly and when the brakes are released the caliper does
not move back causing the outside brake shoe to drag.
This is a lube point that is almost never serviced.
Jim
'96 Sahara
'--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, g umstead wrote:
>
> you are so right and i'll check this out today. Forgot all about
this situation. THANKS.........George
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: fqo65
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:41:35 AM
> Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: brakes
>
>
> On our '93 Continental, I had the left front caliper lock up. I took
> it all apart and couldn't find anything. Next day, the right one did
> the same thing.
> Both problems occurred after a hard brake application.
>
> Turned out the problem was the flexible hoses to the front brakes.
> These hoses deteriorate from the inside. With a hard brake
> application, the hoses stretch more than normal, a piece of rubber
> will come loose inside the hose and block the fluid from returning
to
> the master cylinder.
> The hydraulic shop guy said he had seen this many times.
>
> Hope this helps... Tad
>
> --- In Safarifriends@ yahoogroups. com, "George"
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Has anyone had brake problems with their safari. I have a 2000
> > Seregenti and the ABS light is on. Found I had 2 bad abs sensors
and I
> > replaced them. Now it feels like the brakes are locking up when I
> > drive it. Could the master cylinder be bad. I would appreciate
any
> > info from others.
> > Thanks
> > George
> >
>
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chuck.lewis72
- Posts: 436
- Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:32 am
Re: brakes
'--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" wrote:
does it have to be taken apart & lubed?
I've got a '97 Serengeti with the Magnum chassis, & have not seen any
lube points on the brakes.
Thanks
brake>
> When I bought our '96 Sahara in '06 it only had 42K miles. The
from> fluid was black. Had the system flushed out, all lines removed
Jim, on your '96 Sahara do you have lube points on your brakes? Or> calipers and blown out with air hose. Re-filled system system and
> bleed. Had lots of gunk in both lines and calipers.
>
> So far so good. Also, the caliper sits in a thing called the
> saddle. When the brakes are applied the caliper moves sideways in
> the saddle. If this area is not lubed, the caliper will not move
> sideways properly and when the brakes are released the caliper does
> not move back causing the outside brake shoe to drag.
>
> This is a lube point that is almost never serviced.
>
> Jim
> '96 Sahara
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, g umstead wrote:
> >
> > you are so right and i'll check this out today. Forgot all about
> this situation. THANKS.........George
> >
does it have to be taken apart & lubed?
I've got a '97 Serengeti with the Magnum chassis, & have not seen any
lube points on the brakes.
Thanks
took> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: fqo65
> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:41:35 AM
> > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: brakes
> >
> >
> > On our '93 Continental, I had the left front caliper lock up. I
did> > it all apart and couldn't find anything. Next day, the right one
returning> > the same thing.
> > Both problems occurred after a hard brake application.
> >
> > Turned out the problem was the flexible hoses to the front brakes.
> > These hoses deteriorate from the inside. With a hard brake
> > application, the hoses stretch more than normal, a piece of rubber
> > will come loose inside the hose and block the fluid from
sensors> to
> > the master cylinder.
> > The hydraulic shop guy said he had seen this many times.
> >
> > Hope this helps... Tad
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@ yahoogroups. com, "George"
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Has anyone had brake problems with their safari. I have a 2000
> > > Seregenti and the ABS light is on. Found I had 2 bad abs
I> and I
> > > replaced them. Now it feels like the brakes are locking up when
'> > > drive it. Could the master cylinder be bad. I would appreciate
> any
> > > info from others.
> > > Thanks
> > > George
> > >
> >
>
Re: brakes
'Hi,
Yes it has lube points, but they are not grease zerks. If you crawl
under the coach and look at the caliper where it sits in it's carrier.
The caliper is held in place in a groove by a metal plate held by a
couple of bolts. The caliper must be able to move sideways in this
groove. Normally this area is serviced when we rotate tires and such.
Some vehicles, like my Honda CRV, the calipers move on pins that are
inside protective rubber boots and only require lube at time the
shoes are replaced.
However, since we do not rotate our tires on the M/H, it sits a lot,
and the construction of the saddle is such the caliper can "rust" it's
self to the saddle, thus it will not move sideways freely causing the
outer pad to drag on the rotor.
I lube mine with a bottle of oil that has a tube that pulls out of the
bottle. You can find it @ any store that services the heat and air
trade. I found some @ True Value. It is designed to oil blower motors
and the pull out tube allows you to reach way back in there. I take
the tube and stick it thru the caliper and let a application of oil get
into the groove. I grease the chassis once or twice a year and do the
calipers while I am under there. Using common sense to not oil the
pads or rotors.
Go to the link and look at the bottom picture. You will see a groove
of sorts that the caliper is retained by. Maybe that will give you a
idea what I am talking about.
http://www.hunter.com/pub/UnderCar/2690T/index.htm
Jim
'96 Sahara
Yes it has lube points, but they are not grease zerks. If you crawl
under the coach and look at the caliper where it sits in it's carrier.
The caliper is held in place in a groove by a metal plate held by a
couple of bolts. The caliper must be able to move sideways in this
groove. Normally this area is serviced when we rotate tires and such.
Some vehicles, like my Honda CRV, the calipers move on pins that are
inside protective rubber boots and only require lube at time the
shoes are replaced.
However, since we do not rotate our tires on the M/H, it sits a lot,
and the construction of the saddle is such the caliper can "rust" it's
self to the saddle, thus it will not move sideways freely causing the
outer pad to drag on the rotor.
I lube mine with a bottle of oil that has a tube that pulls out of the
bottle. You can find it @ any store that services the heat and air
trade. I found some @ True Value. It is designed to oil blower motors
and the pull out tube allows you to reach way back in there. I take
the tube and stick it thru the caliper and let a application of oil get
into the groove. I grease the chassis once or twice a year and do the
calipers while I am under there. Using common sense to not oil the
pads or rotors.
Go to the link and look at the bottom picture. You will see a groove
of sorts that the caliper is retained by. Maybe that will give you a
idea what I am talking about.
http://www.hunter.com/pub/UnderCar/2690T/index.htm
Jim
'96 Sahara
'> Jim, on your '96 Sahara do you have lube points on your brakes? Or
> does it have to be taken apart & lubed?
> I've got a '97 Serengeti with the Magnum chassis, & have not seen any
> lube points on the brakes.
> Thanks
brakes
'Bought the new brake lines for my Serengeti from Monaco yesterday and
decided to install them my self. Well, low and behold Safari, in their
infinite wisdom, ran the lines through the frame. The fuel tank is in
the way so I called Safari to ask them how they do it. Drop the fuel
tank and you can get to it they said. One of their screwups according
to the gentleman in tech. Oh well, thought I would share this piece of
info with everyone. Now I have a hard job ahead of me. Thanks for
helping me and I look forward to furthur updates on my Safari.'
decided to install them my self. Well, low and behold Safari, in their
infinite wisdom, ran the lines through the frame. The fuel tank is in
the way so I called Safari to ask them how they do it. Drop the fuel
tank and you can get to it they said. One of their screwups according
to the gentleman in tech. Oh well, thought I would share this piece of
info with everyone. Now I have a hard job ahead of me. Thanks for
helping me and I look forward to furthur updates on my Safari.'