Re: Fueling Tip (was: Fuel Tank vent hose (was: SLOW diesel fill fix

[James McDaniel]

Hi there Safari friends,I have a question for all of you Diesel owners out there with Safari Motor Homes.I have noticed that all the truck stops out here on the west coast have larger fill Nozzles on the Diesel fill hoses.My Question is, How do you fill your motor homes with Diesel fuel with out getting blow back?Seems like the nozzle is almost the same size as the filler tube.What I have to do is fill the Diesel fuel very slowly, takes for ever to put in 100 gallons of  Diesel Fuel.Has anyone over came this problem? I would really like to hear of your experiences.Thank You,Jim and Kathy McDaniel1999 Safari Continental Panther 425With a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee in tow.

[fbrouss211]

Ditto for our 99. I think it's the filler tube and vent tube angles but haven't tried changing ours . It's best to fill at pumps with small nozzles intended for cars.Fred99 Connie125,000 miles 3126N CAT

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-----Original Message-----
From: James McDaniel jimmy_mcd@... [Safarifriends]
To: Safarifriends@onelist.com
Sent: Wed, May 28, 2014 02:48 AM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Truck stop filler Nozzles...


 
Hi there Safari friends, I have a question for all of you Diesel owners out there with Safari Motor Homes. I have noticed that all the truck stops out here on the west coast have larger fill Nozzles on the Diesel fill hoses. My Question is, How do you fill your motor homes with Diesel fuel with out getting blow back? Seems like the nozzle is almost the same size as the filler tube. What I have to do is fill the Diesel fuel very slowly, takes for ever to put in 100 gallons of  Diesel Fuel. Has anyone over came this problem? I would really like to hear of your experiences. Thank You, Jim and Kathy McDaniel 1999 Safari Continental Panther 425 With a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee in tow.

[Jim Exler]

James,   The problem is the size of the vent hose. On my 98 Sahara, it is 5/8” ID.  Make sure it does not have any dips in the hose that would act like a trap. You can only put fuel in as fast as you can get the air out so the vent size is the limiter.   The big nozzles are made for the trucks and most of them have saddle tanks with about a 3” cap so venting is not a problem.   Look on the bright side; using a smaller nozzle or slower flow means you are not spending your money as fast.   Jim X   From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 1:48 AM To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Safarifriends] Truck stop filler Nozzles...     Hi there Safari friends, I have a question for all of you Diesel owners out there with Safari Motor Homes. I have noticed that all the truck stops out here on the west coast have larger fill Nozzles on the Diesel fill hoses. My Question is, How do you fill your motor homes with Diesel fuel with out getting blow back? Seems like the nozzle is almost the same size as the filler tube. What I have to do is fill the Diesel fuel very slowly, takes for ever to put in 100 gallons of  Diesel Fuel. Has anyone over came this problem? I would really like to hear of your experiences. Thank You, Jim and Kathy McDaniel 1999 Safari Continental Panther 425 With a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee in tow.

[stuplich@ymail.com]

Jim and Kathy
In my travels I have found that most truck stops have at least 1 diesel pump with a smaller nozzle..... (usually it is the pump nearest the office).

Eliminating/removing any sag/droop in the fuel tank vent hose, (which on most Safaris runs from the top of the fuel tank to a fitting on the filler neck up near the fuel cap filler opening), may help prevent premature pump shut off and speed up the fill time.
My vent hose was 6" to long, (on a friends Serengeti it was 5" to long).

This is how to do it:
1.) Locate the 1" OS diameter vent hose, (mine is on top of, and runs with larger "filler hose").
2.) Loosen the hose clamp on the upper end of the vent hose and pull the hose off the fitting,
3.) Pull on the hose to eliminate any sag/droop.
4.) Cut off any extra hose.
5.) Reinstall the hose and clamp.

I put up with, (and complained about), long diesel fill times for 10 years, (80K miles), before the "vent line fix".....(I wish I had done it sooner).

Mel
'96 Sahara, 132k miles

---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Hi there Safari friends,I have a question for all of you Diesel owners out there with Safari Motor Homes.I have noticed that all the truck stops out here on the west coast have larger fill Nozzles on the Diesel fill hoses.My Question is, How do you fill your motor homes with Diesel fuel with out getting blow back?Seems like the nozzle is almost the same size as the filler tube.What I have to do is fill the Diesel fuel very slowly, takes for ever to put in 100 gallons of  Diesel Fuel.Has anyone over came this problem? I would really like to hear of your experiences.Thank You,Jim and Kathy McDaniel1999 Safari Continental Panther 425
 

[kelly kircher]

[wolfe102001]

I also replaced my fuel tank vent line-- shortened and rerouted so it ran steadily uphill from tank to filler neck with no sag. 

As you would expect, it made a huge difference in how much fuel could be put in at high flow rates before the automatic shut-off cut in.

Brett

[ART]

While we're still on the subject of the fuel tank, let me repeat my question asked in a prior message.  Has anyone ever seen or touched the fuel level sender of the vintage Safaris??
Art96 Seren

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:22 AM, "kelly kircher kkircher55@... [Safarifriends]" wrote:


  I just replaced my filler hose due to cracking.
What I found strange was that the hose connected to the side of my tank only about halfway up. There is no damper or valve in there to keep the fuel from spilling out so the fuel sits in the hose all the time which probably deteriorates the rubber quicker. It works because the fill point is higher than the tank but what a mess.
 
 Needles to say when I removed it I took a nice diesel bath trying to get the new hose on quickly.
 
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 05:49:44 -0600
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Truck stop filler Nozzles...

  James,   The problem is the size of the vent hose. On my 98 Sahara, it is 5/8” ID.  Make sure it does not have any dips in the hose that would act like a trap. You can only put fuel in as fast as you can get the air out so the vent size is the limiter.   The big nozzles are made for the trucks and most of them have saddle tanks with about a 3” cap so venting is not a problem.   Look on the bright side; using a smaller nozzle or slower flow means you are not spending your money as fast.   Jim X   From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 1:48 AM To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Safarifriends] Truck stop filler Nozzles...     Hi there Safari friends, I have a question for all of you Diesel owners out there with Safari Motor Homes. I have noticed that all the truck stops out here on the west coast have larger fill Nozzles on the Diesel fill hoses. My Question is, How do you fill your motor homes with Diesel fuel with out getting blow back? Seems like the nozzle is almost the same size as the filler tube. What I have to do is fill the Diesel fuel very slowly, takes for ever to put in 100 gallons of  Diesel Fuel. Has anyone over came this problem? I would really like to hear of your experiences. Thank You, Jim and Kathy McDaniel 1999 Safari Continental Panther 425 With a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee in tow.

[buckeyewoody46]

We have a 1995 Safari Serengeti - Cummins 8.3L 300 HP - DP
 
On our recent trip from Florida back to Ohio (earlier this month) I noticed every Pilot Travel Center (PTC)
has the oversized fuel hoses. I have tried pumping by hand as slow as the pump would allow me to prevent blow back but I still got the same result. At a Pilot near Columbia, SC, the attendent inside the Pilot noticed what had happened to me and got my attention on the pump intercom. She told me that happens to most motorhomes. She suggested I hang the pump back up and start all over again. I did that and sure enough I was able to add over 11 gallons more fuel.  I had pumped 17.5 gallons before starting over. I was in Cocoa, FL  @ at another PTC. I used that pump on auto fill and it pumped 32 + gallons without shuting off. 
 
You are right, the first time I used the bigger pumps, I didn't think it would fit. Some fuel stops discouage RV's (Travel America) from using the truck pumps. We as most others do, pull a toad and trying to use the same pump the standard pickup uses is near impossible. I wonder if the larger diesel pump nozzle is an effort to drive us back to the auto/trucks pumps.
 
Dave and Judy
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[Jim Exler]

Art,   I just uploaded a drawing for the Transfer Flow fuel sender that they sent me.  I don’t know how many models it fits but I would bet many; Safari didn’t change much.   Jim X     From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:08 AM To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Truck stop filler Nozzles...     While we're still on the subject of the fuel tank, let me repeat my question asked in a prior message.  Has anyone ever seen or touched the fuel level sender of the vintage Safaris??
Art 96 Seren

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:22 AM, "kelly kircher kkircher55@... [Safarifriends]" wrote:


  I just replaced my filler hose due to cracking.
What I found strange was that the hose connected to the side of my tank only about halfway up. There is no damper or valve in there to keep the fuel from spilling out so the fuel sits in the hose all the time which probably deteriorates the rubber quicker. It works because the fill point is higher than the tank but what a mess.
 
Needles to say when I removed it I took a nice diesel bath trying to get the new hose on quickly.
 
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 05:49:44 -0600
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Truck stop filler Nozzles...

  James,   The problem is the size of the vent hose. On my 98 Sahara, it is 5/8” ID.  Make sure it does not have any dips in the hose that would act like a trap. You can only put fuel in as fast as you can get the air out so the vent size is the limiter.   The big nozzles are made for the trucks and most of them have saddle tanks with about a 3” cap so venting is not a problem.   Look on the bright side; using a smaller nozzle or slower flow means you are not spending your money as fast.   Jim X   From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 1:48 AM To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Safarifriends] Truck stop filler Nozzles...     Hi there Safari friends, I have a question for all of you Diesel owners out there with Safari Motor Homes. I have noticed that all the truck stops out here on the west coast have larger fill Nozzles on the Diesel fill hoses. My Question is, How do you fill your motor homes with Diesel fuel with out getting blow back? Seems like the nozzle is almost the same size as the filler tube. What I have to do is fill the Diesel fuel very slowly, takes for ever to put in 100 gallons of  Diesel Fuel. Has anyone over came this problem? I would really like to hear of your experiences. Thank You, Jim and Kathy McDaniel 1999 Safari Continental Panther 425 With a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee in tow.  

[emulsified2000]

Just a note to everyone about pumps...
Truck filler nozzles are larger in order to fill the tanks quicker. A typical 'standard' pump will fill at the rate of 3-5 gallons per minute. This is the size most of our Safaris were designed around, hence the smaller vent tube.
A truck filler nozzle fills at the rate of 20-25 gallons per minute.
When you have to pump 100 to 200 gallons per fill (as trucks do), and you're running a time constraint like your DOT clock, time is of the essence.
Flying J's have separate fill areas for RVs, Loves, Pilots, TA, Petro all have diesel nozzles up with the auto section, and most have plenty of room for RVs with Toads to negotiate.
As diesel RVs became more common, fill nozzles were upsized and in the larger rigs, dual side fill ports were added to take advantage of the truck island slave pumps as well as fill rate.

Stephen
'96 Sahara