Re: Rats

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TD
Posts: 767
Joined: Fri May 16, 2014 4:01 am

Re: Rats

Post by TD »

'WM,

I would call that more of a very informative article, packed with a
lot info and thought.

BTW, if your coach is anything like mine, there is a full on highway
for the critters to get in. On my coach, the back side of the gray and
black tanks are fully exposed to the outside elements, and that leaves
full excess between the frame rails for them to get in, among other
smaller spaces in the same are. Having an insulated basement, I
figured that the coach can handle moderately cold weather. Having
discovered this kind of foolish absurdity, I can not use the coach in
freezing weather, until I figure out a way to mitigate that issue, and
then pay someone to do the work, since I can't do it myself. I'm glad
that I discovered it before any cold weather camping, as it sure would
have been an ugly mess if the tanks froze and blew apart.

Please take a look and let me know if you have a similar issue. Maybe
it was just my coach that never got completed/enclosed properly...

As for the signature, unfortunately, Yahoo does not have an option for
a signature. I just copy and paste mine.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
6spd

On 7/11/19, bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]
wrote:
> Tom! I enjoyed that ‘lecture.’ All good information. And trust but verify
> definitely applies to these critters. Thanks for additional ideas. And I’ll
> 2nd the statement about them sticking! And they degrade to stick very
> quickly. So I’d add if you know you have a critterbor two then you want to
> check your rig at least every other day if you put out traps.
> Oh side note, I had a squirrel that was enjoying climbing up inside my back
> cap just aft of the engine, essentially above my lift gate access to the
> engine. I rolled rabbit cage wire and placed up in this crawl space (the
> width of the coach) then used the expanding foam to seal the area. This and
> a pellet rifle solved my squirrel issue.
> Thanks for the good info.
> R/wm
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 11, 2019, at 12:18 AM, astrnmrtom@... [Safarifriends]
>> wrote:
>>
>> The only way to stop-em, is to block-em. Get a bright flashlight, a
>> creeper and some safety glasses and roll around underneath looking for any
>> hole regardless of how small. You can stuff the hole with steel wool, or
>> stainless steel wool and hit it with expanding foam. Sometime a person
>> inside shining a flashlight can reveal holes to a person outside or vice
>> versa.
>>
>> Note that mice and rats can dislocate their shoulders and hips to fit
>> through any hole their skulls can fit through. Don't just look, but feel
>> around any area where hoses wire bundles penetrate a compartment wall. An
>> easy place to miss is behind the dash where large wire bundles come up
>> through the floor. Don't assume that just because the factory foamed
>> around them that it is a good seal. I found a gap in the center of my wire
>> bundle under the dash by sticking my finger in the center of the bundle.
>> Looked sealed visually. I thought I had mine sealed up tight and found
>> evidence of a mouse inside this summer. Grabbed my creeper and checked
>> again. This time I followed where my heater hoses to my hydronic system
>> passed through into the compartment had a finger sized gap between the
>> factory foam, and the hose. Couldn't see the compartment wall but I
>> reached up over the top of the propane tank and felt it with my finger.
>> One of my duties for the last 16 years of my work life was pest control
>> and I'm pretty good at knowing what to look for, but those little guys
>> always give me a run for the money. They can get into places I can't even
>> see. Just when i think I've got them beat, one proves me wrong so don't
>> expect this to be an easy battle. It takes patience and determination, the
>> same thing they have looking for a way in.
>>
>> When in storage, I have bait stations with block style bait under the rig
>> and a couple traps inside baited with peanut butter to monitor for
>> activity. I keep one trap in the main basement compartment, and one in the
>> bottom of a cabinet in the center of the rig. Always place traps on a
>> piece of thick cardboard because if you don't get the dead mouse out right
>> away, they rot and turn to smelly goo that can seep into floor surfaces
>> and is a bear to clean. I don't use snap traps because hearing one go off
>> in the middle of the night while satisfying, make it hard to go back to
>> sleep. I use ones that trap the mouse and can be tossed in the trash when
>> tripped. I also use electronic traps. One that they crawl into to get to
>> peanut butter at one end, and they are electrocuted. They cost about $20,
>> run on AA batteries and are reusable. The down side is if the mouse rots
>> in there, it can corrode the plates and they are harder to clean.
>>
>> I'll give my standard talk regarding so called repellents and home
>> remedies. Use them if you want, but always monitor with traps. As I like
>> to say - trust but verify. If it works for you then great. In our classes
>> we had experts show slides of mice sleeping under electronic mouse
>> chasers, and curled up in nice beds made of shredded dryer sheets. The
>> mistake most people make with rodent control is looking at the problem
>> with a human perspective.. We know we will avoid something that is
>> unpleasant and we assume pests will do the same. The problem is, they must
>> survive on a daily basis by foraging for food, water and shelter in a
>> hostile world. Rats travel and live in sewers so why would the smell of
>> perfume or mint interfere with them finding what they need? Humans do the
>> same to survive and all you need as proof is photos and videos of people
>> scavenging for food at landfills in poor countries, its just the average
>> person doesn't know what life is like when you struggle just to survive.
>>
>> The other thing people don't realize is rodents cause millions - if not
>> billions of dollars of loss and damage worldwide. I electronic pest
>> chasers or drier sheets worked, food processing plants, granaries,
>> restaurants and food storage facilities would be buying them by the pallet
>> load. They'd be the default rodent treatment in countless places. They
>> aren't - but then again, there's certainly no harm in trying if you want.
>>
>> You'll note I use block style bait, not pellet type. I do so because mice
>> hoard, and can spend a lot of time packing away uneaten bait in a stash
>> before eating enough to die - you spend money to fill their pantries
>> before you kill them. The block type locked in a bait station forces them
>> to chew.
>>
>> Good luck with your rodent control. Sorry if I stepped on any toes with my
>> lecture.
>>
>> Tom
>> 1998 Serengeti 3706
>> 300hp Cat 2126
>> Allison 3060
>>
>
'
Bilmac36
Posts: 75
Joined: Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:06 pm

Re: Rats

Post by Bilmac36 »

'John,Hmmm, have me reviewing mental images...I think my basement is buttoned all the way back to just before my Propane tank which is forward of the rear axle, then of course the engine compartment is open. 
I know of one problematic area on mine is where the fresh water line feeds over from within the base to the ice maker. While she’s in upkeep I’ve kept sticky strips there as a preventative measure.
 Had to demo a section of flooring down to the basement cap due to this same water line leaking. So although I’m now at the point of putting a new walking/surface floor material down, I’ve yet to decide to keep or take out the ice maker. My overhaul plans include replacing all OEM waterlines with Pex piping and fittings. Work in progress, I can still travel and live in it as is.
In regards to cold weather camping, I’ve watched some excellent videos on YouTube of couples who do it and provide good ideas. Many are fairly easy to implement. Basically they all involve enclosing the area under the coach along the outsides and heated strips on fluid lines. If you Google ‘youtube cold weather rv camping’ you will get multiple hits. The one of a younger couple using ‘Keep Your Daydream’ as their title is of them. They have been  producing good videos, and are typically informative in the subject matter they present. But there are many others that provide useful information as well.R/wm ‘95 Continental, 8.3L Cummins, Allison 6spd



Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2019, at 1:27 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
 
WM,

I would call that more of a very informative article, packed with a
lot info and thought.

BTW, if your coach is anything like mine, there is a full on highway
for the critters to get in. On my coach, the back side of the gray and
black tanks are fully exposed to the outside elements, and that leaves
full excess between the frame rails for them to get in, among other
smaller spaces in the same are. Having an insulated basement, I
figured that the coach can handle moderately cold weather. Having
discovered this kind of foolish absurdity, I can not use the coach in
freezing weather, until I figure out a way to mitigate that issue, and
then pay someone to do the work, since I can't do it myself. I'm glad
that I discovered it before any cold weather camping, as it sure would
have been an ugly mess if the tanks froze and blew apart.

Please take a look and let me know if you have a similar issue. Maybe
it was just my coach that never got completed/enclosed properly...

As for the signature, unfortunately, Yahoo does not have an option for
a signature. I just copy and paste mine.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
6spd

On 7/11/19, bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]
wrote:
> Tom! I enjoyed that ‘lecture.’ All good information. And trust but verify
> definitely applies to these critters. Thanks for additional ideas. And I’ll
> 2nd the statement about them sticking! And they degrade to stick very
> quickly. So I’d add if you know you have a critterbor two then you want to
> check your rig at least every other day if you put out traps.
> Oh side note, I had a squirrel that was enjoying climbing up inside my back
> cap just aft of the engine, essentially above my lift gate access to the
> engine. I rolled rabbit cage wire and placed up in this crawl space (the
> width of the coach) then used the expanding foam to seal the area. This and
> a pellet rifle solved my squirrel issue.
> Thanks for the good info.
> R/wm
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 11, 2019, at 12:18 AM, astrnmrtom@... [Safarifriends]
>> wrote:
>>
>> The only way to stop-em, is to block-em. Get a bright flashlight, a
>> creeper and some safety glasses and roll around underneath looking for any
>> hole regardless of how small. You can stuff the hole with steel wool, or
>> stainless steel wool and hit it with expanding foam. Sometime a person
>> inside shining a flashlight can reveal holes to a person outside or vice
>> versa.
>>
>> Note that mice and rats can dislocate their shoulders and hips to fit
>> through any hole their skulls can fit through. Don't just look, but feel
>> around any area where hoses wire bundles penetrate a compartment wall. An
>> easy place to miss is behind the dash where large wire bundles come up
>> through the floor. Don't assume that just because the factory foamed
>> around them that it is a good seal. I found a gap in the center of my wire
>> bundle under the dash by sticking my finger in the center of the bundle.
>> Looked sealed visually. I thought I had mine sealed up tight and found
>> evidence of a mouse inside this summer. Grabbed my creeper and checked
>> again. This time I followed where my heater hoses to my hydronic system
>> passed through into the compartment had a finger sized gap between the
>> factory foam, and the hose. Couldn't see the compartment wall but I
>> reached up over the top of the propane tank and felt it with my finger.
>> One of my duties for the last 16 years of my work life was pest control
>> and I'm pretty good at knowing what to look for, but those little guys
>> always give me a run for the money. They can get into places I can't even
>> see. Just when i think I've got them beat, one proves me wrong so don't
>> expect this to be an easy battle. It takes patience and determination, the
>> same thing they have looking for a way in.
>>
>> When in storage, I have bait stations with block style bait under the rig
>> and a couple traps inside baited with peanut butter to monitor for
>> activity. I keep one trap in the main basement compartment, and one in the
>> bottom of a cabinet in the center of the rig. Always place traps on a
>> piece of thick cardboard because if you don't get the dead mouse out right
>> away, they rot and turn to smelly goo that can seep into floor surfaces
>> and is a bear to clean. I don't use snap traps because hearing one go off
>> in the middle of the night while satisfying, make it hard to go back to
>> sleep. I use ones that trap the mouse and can be tossed in the trash when
>> tripped. I also use electronic traps. One that they crawl into to get to
>> peanut butter at one end, and they are electrocuted. They cost about $20,
>> run on AA batteries and are reusable. The down side is if the mouse rots
>> in there, it can corrode the plates and they are harder to clean.
>>
>> I'll give my standard talk regarding so called repellents and home
>> remedies. Use them if you want, but always monitor with traps. As I like
>> to say - trust but verify. If it works for you then great. In our classes
>> we had experts show slides of mice sleeping under electronic mouse
>> chasers, and curled up in nice beds made of shredded dryer sheets. The
>> mistake most people make with rodent control is looking at the problem
>> with a human perspective.. We know we will avoid something that is
>> unpleasant and we assume pests will do the same. The problem is, they must
>> survive on a daily basis by foraging for food, water and shelter in a
>> hostile world. Rats travel and live in sewers so why would the smell of
>> perfume or mint interfere with them finding what they need? Humans do the
>> same to survive and all you need as proof is photos and videos of people
>> scavenging for food at landfills in poor countries, its just the average
>> person doesn't know what life is like when you struggle just to survive.
>>
>> The other thing people don't realize is rodents cause millions - if not
>> billions of dollars of loss and damage worldwide. I electronic pest
>> chasers or drier sheets worked, food processing plants, granaries,
>> restaurants and food storage facilities would be buying them by the pallet
>> load. They'd be the default rodent treatment in countless places. They
>> aren't - but then again, there's certainly no harm in trying if you want.
>>
>> You'll note I use block style bait, not pellet type. I do so because mice
>> hoard, and can spend a lot of time packing away uneaten bait in a stash
>> before eating enough to die - you spend money to fill their pantries
>> before you kill them. The block type locked in a bait station forces them
>> to chew.
>>
>> Good luck with your rodent control. Sorry if I stepped on any toes with my
>> lecture.
>>
>> Tom
>> 1998 Serengeti 3706
>> 300hp Cat 2126
>> Allison 3060
>>
>
'
r/Willie
'95 Safari Continental, Cummins 8.3L, Allison MD3060
TJAMES BLAIR
Posts: 11
Joined: Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:22 pm

Re: Rats

Post by TJAMES BLAIR »

' Thank you so much for the In sight on pest control.

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From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com on behalf of astrnmrtom@... [Safarifriends]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 10:18:51 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Rats
   
The only way to stop-em, is to block-em. Get a bright flashlight, a creeper and some safety glasses and roll around underneath looking for any hole regardless of how small. You can stuff the hole with steel wool, or stainless steel wool and hit it with expanding foam. Sometime a person inside shining a flashlight can reveal holes to a person outside or vice versa.

Note that mice and rats can dislocate their shoulders and hips to fit through any hole their skulls can fit through. Don't just look, but feel around any area where hoses wire bundles penetrate a compartment wall. An easy place to miss is behind the dash where large wire bundles come up through the floor. Don't assume that just because the factory foamed around them that it is a good seal. I found a gap in the center of my wire bundle under the dash by sticking my finger in the center of the bundle. Looked sealed visually. I thought I had mine sealed up tight and found evidence of a mouse inside this summer. Grabbed my creeper and checked again. This time I followed where my heater hoses to my hydronic system passed through into the compartment had a finger sized gap between the factory foam, and the hose. Couldn't see the compartment wall but I reached up over the top of the propane tank and felt it with my finger. One of my duties for the last 16 years of my work life was pest control and I'm pretty good at knowing what to look for, but those little guys always give me a run for the money. They can get into places I can't even see. Just when i think I've got them beat, one proves me wrong so don't expect this to be an easy battle. It takes patience and determination, the same thing they have looking for a way in.
When in storage, I have bait stations with block style bait under the rig and a couple traps inside baited with peanut butter to monitor for activity. I keep one trap in the main basement compartment, and one in the bottom of a cabinet in the center of the rig. Always place traps on a piece of thick cardboard because if you don't get the dead mouse out right away, they rot and turn to smelly goo that can seep into floor surfaces and is a bear to clean. I don't use snap traps because hearing one go off in the middle of the night while satisfying, make it hard to go back to sleep. I use ones that trap the mouse and can be tossed in the trash when tripped. I also use electronic traps. One that they crawl into to get to peanut butter at one end, and they are electrocuted. They cost about $20, run on AA batteries and are reusable. The down side is if the mouse rots in there, it can corrode the plates and they are harder to clean.
I'll give my standard talk regarding so called repellents and home remedies. Use them if you want, but always monitor with traps. As I like to say - trust but verify.  If it works for you then great. In our classes we had experts show slides of mice sleeping under electronic mouse chasers, and curled up in nice beds made of shredded dryer sheets. The mistake most people make with rodent control is looking at the problem with a human perspective. We know we will avoid something that is unpleasant and we assume pests will do the same. The problem is, they must survive on a daily basis by foraging for food, water and shelter in a hostile world. Rats travel and live in sewers so why would the smell of perfume or mint interfere with them finding what they need? Humans do the same to survive and all you need as proof is photos and videos of people scavenging for food at landfills in poor countries, its just the average person doesn't know what life is like when you struggle just to survive.
The other thing people don't realize is rodents cause millions - if not billions of dollars of loss and damage worldwide. I electronic pest chasers or drier sheets worked, food processing plants, granaries, restaurants and food storage facilities would be buying them by the pallet load. They'd be the default rodent treatment in countless places. They aren't - but then again, there's certainly no harm in trying if you want.
You'll note I use block style bait, not pellet type. I do so because mice hoard, and can spend a lot of time packing away uneaten bait in a stash before eating enough to die - you spend money to fill their pantries before you kill them. The block type locked in a bait station forces them to chew.
Good luck with your rodent control. Sorry if I stepped on any toes with my lecture.
Tom 1998 Serengeti 3706 300hp Cat 2126 Allison 3060
'
lotosrggp1
Posts: 60
Joined: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:19 pm

Re: Rats

Post by lotosrggp1 »

'First, if you go to Amazon.com and search rv rodent repellent you will find lots of products which might or might not work. Haven't tried any of them.

Several years ago a coworker decided to store his Bounder motor home in his mother in laws currently unused former dairy barn over the winter. You can imagine the problems he had just rewiring it to start it in the spring much less the mess.

Tom
97 Safari Sahara 3550 300 HP CAT'
technolog1
Posts: 83
Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:13 am

Re: Rats

Post by technolog1 »

'When I 1st got our rig, the whole front in and back in with so full of nuts that probly there was over 2 or 3000 nuts . but we never run into any damage to wires or anything else. We still find some 2 years later.Craig93 cont 8.3. 6 sp


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]" Date: 7/11/19 10:32 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Rats
 
Tom! I enjoyed that ‘lecture.’ All good information. And trust but verify definitely applies to these critters. Thanks for additional ideas. And I’ll 2nd the statement about them sticking! And they degrade to stick very quickly. So I’d add if you know you have a critterbor two then you want to check your rig at least every other day if you put out traps. Oh side note, I had a squirrel that was enjoying climbing up inside my back cap just aft of the engine, essentially above my lift gate access to the engine. I rolled rabbit cage wire and placed up in this crawl space (the width of the coach) then used the expanding foam to seal the area. This and a pellet rifle solved my squirrel issue.
Thanks for the good info.
R/wm
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 11, 2019, at 12:18 AM, astrnmrtom@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
 
The only way to stop-em, is to block-em. Get a bright flashlight, a creeper and some safety glasses and roll around underneath looking for any hole regardless of how small. You can stuff the hole with steel wool, or stainless steel wool and hit it with expanding foam. Sometime a person inside shining a flashlight can reveal holes to a person outside or vice versa.

Note that mice and rats can dislocate their shoulders and hips to fit through any hole their skulls can fit through. Don't just look, but feel around any area where hoses wire bundles penetrate a compartment wall. An easy place to miss is behind the dash where large wire bundles come up through the floor. Don't assume that just because the factory foamed around them that it is a good seal. I found a gap in the center of my wire bundle under the dash by sticking my finger in the center of the bundle. Looked sealed visually. I thought I had mine sealed up tight and found evidence of a mouse inside this summer. Grabbed my creeper and checked again. This time I followed where my heater hoses to my hydronic system passed through into the compartment had a finger sized gap between the factory foam, and the hose. Couldn't see the compartment wall but I reached up over the top of the propane tank and felt it with my finger. One of my duties for the last 16 years of my work life was pest control and I'm pretty good at knowing what to look for, but those little guys always give me a run for the money. They can get into places I can't even see. Just when i think I've got them beat, one proves me wrong so don't expect this to be an easy battle. It takes patience and determination, the same thing they have looking for a way in.
When in storage, I have bait stations with block style bait under the rig and a couple traps inside baited with peanut butter to monitor for activity. I keep one trap in the main basement compartment, and one in the bottom of a cabinet in the center of the rig. Always place traps on a piece of thick cardboard because if you don't get the dead mouse out right away, they rot and turn to smelly goo that can seep into floor surfaces and is a bear to clean. I don't use snap traps because hearing one go off in the middle of the night while satisfying, make it hard to go back to sleep. I use ones that trap the mouse and can be tossed in the trash when tripped. I also use electronic traps. One that they crawl into to get to peanut butter at one end, and they are electrocuted. They cost about $20, run on AA batteries and are reusable. The down side is if the mouse rots in there, it can corrode the plates and they are harder to clean..
I'll give my standard talk regarding so called repellents and home remedies. Use them if you want, but always monitor with traps. As I like to say - trust but verify.  If it works for you then great. In our classes we had experts show slides of mice sleeping under electronic mouse chasers, and curled up in nice beds made of shredded dryer sheets. The mistake most people make with rodent control is looking at the problem with a human perspective. We know we will avoid something that is unpleasant and we assume pests will do the same. The problem is, they must survive on a daily basis by foraging for food, water and shelter in a hostile world. Rats travel and live in sewers so why would the smell of perfume or mint interfere with them finding what they need? Humans do the same to survive and all you need as proof is photos and videos of people scavenging for food at landfills in poor countries, its just the average person doesn't know what life is like when you struggle just to survive.
The other thing people don't realize is rodents cause millions - if not billions of dollars of loss and damage worldwide. I electronic pest chasers or drier sheets worked, food processing plants, granaries, restaurants and food storage facilities would be buying them by the pallet load. They'd be the default rodent treatment in countless places. They aren't - but then again, there's certainly no harm in trying if you want.
You'll note I use block style bait, not pellet type. I do so because mice hoard, and can spend a lot of time packing away uneaten bait in a stash before eating enough to die - you spend money to fill their pantries before you kill them. The block type locked in a bait station forces them to chew.
Good luck with your rodent control. Sorry if I stepped on any toes with my lecture.
Tom1998 Serengeti 3706300hp Cat 2126Allison 3060

'
Bilmac36
Posts: 75
Joined: Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:06 pm

Re: Rats

Post by Bilmac36 »

'Yea,  knock on wood but I’ve been lucky in that sense as well. I like the steel wool and expanding foam ideas I’ve read on here to plug holes and such. I’ve seen videos of the mice and rats dislocating shoulders to squeeze through the smallest of holes. Sorta incredible, but prefer they stay outside!
When I was in GTMO Bay, Cuba folks had issues with the Banana Rats chewing through their coolant hoses and such. As I recall they were protected on the base there so you were not suppose to harm them. And they weren’t really part of rat family, more related to opossums.Anyway, that’s a story for another day.
Just realized my phone auto corrected my ‘stink’ to ‘stick’ in my previous email on this subject. 
R/Willie, Connie is ‘95 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd


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On Jul 14, 2019, at 7:36 AM, technolog1 technolog1@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
 
When I 1st got our rig, the whole front in and back in with so full of nuts that probly there was over 2 or 3000 nuts . but we never run into any damage to wires or anything else. We still find some 2 years later.Craig93 cont 8.3. 6 sp


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-------- Original message --------From: "bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]" Date: 7/11/19 10:32 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Rats
 
Tom! I enjoyed that ‘lecture.’ All good information. And trust but verify definitely applies to these critters. Thanks for additional ideas. And I’ll 2nd the statement about them sticking! And they degrade to stick very quickly. So I’d add if you know you have a critterbor two then you want to check your rig at least every other day if you put out traps. Oh side note, I had a squirrel that was enjoying climbing up inside my back cap just aft of the engine, essentially above my lift gate access to the engine. I rolled rabbit cage wire and placed up in this crawl space (the width of the coach) then used the expanding foam to seal the area. This and a pellet rifle solved my squirrel issue.
Thanks for the good info.
R/wm
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 11, 2019, at 12:18 AM, astrnmrtom@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

 
The only way to stop-em, is to block-em. Get a bright flashlight, a creeper and some safety glasses and roll around underneath looking for any hole regardless of how small. You can stuff the hole with steel wool, or stainless steel wool and hit it with expanding foam. Sometime a person inside shining a flashlight can reveal holes to a person outside or vice versa.

Note that mice and rats can dislocate their shoulders and hips to fit through any hole their skulls can fit through. Don't just look, but feel around any area where hoses wire bundles penetrate a compartment wall. An easy place to miss is behind the dash where large wire bundles come up through the floor. Don't assume that just because the factory foamed around them that it is a good seal. I found a gap in the center of my wire bundle under the dash by sticking my finger in the center of the bundle. Looked sealed visually. I thought I had mine sealed up tight and found evidence of a mouse inside this summer. Grabbed my creeper and checked again. This time I followed where my heater hoses to my hydronic system passed through into the compartment had a finger sized gap between the factory foam, and the hose. Couldn't see the compartment wall but I reached up over the top of the propane tank and felt it with my finger. One of my duties for the last 16 years of my work life was pest control and I'm pretty good at knowing what to look for, but those little guys always give me a run for the money. They can get into places I can't even see. Just when i think I've got them beat, one proves me wrong so don't expect this to be an easy battle. It takes patience and determination, the same thing they have looking for a way in.
When in storage, I have bait stations with block style bait under the rig and a couple traps inside baited with peanut butter to monitor for activity. I keep one trap in the main basement compartment, and one in the bottom of a cabinet in the center of the rig. Always place traps on a piece of thick cardboard because if you don't get the dead mouse out right away, they rot and turn to smelly goo that can seep into floor surfaces and is a bear to clean. I don't use snap traps because hearing one go off in the middle of the night while satisfying, make it hard to go back to sleep. I use ones that trap the mouse and can be tossed in the trash when tripped. I also use electronic traps. One that they crawl into to get to peanut butter at one end, and they are electrocuted. They cost about $20, run on AA batteries and are reusable. The down side is if the mouse rots in there, it can corrode the plates and they are harder to clean..
I'll give my standard talk regarding so called repellents and home remedies. Use them if you want, but always monitor with traps. As I like to say - trust but verify.  If it works for you then great. In our classes we had experts show slides of mice sleeping under electronic mouse chasers, and curled up in nice beds made of shredded dryer sheets. The mistake most people make with rodent control is looking at the problem with a human perspective. We know we will avoid something that is unpleasant and we assume pests will do the same. The problem is, they must survive on a daily basis by foraging for food, water and shelter in a hostile world. Rats travel and live in sewers so why would the smell of perfume or mint interfere with them finding what they need? Humans do the same to survive and all you need as proof is photos and videos of people scavenging for food at landfills in poor countries, its just the average person doesn't know what life is like when you struggle just to survive.
The other thing people don't realize is rodents cause millions - if not billions of dollars of loss and damage worldwide. I electronic pest chasers or drier sheets worked, food processing plants, granaries, restaurants and food storage facilities would be buying them by the pallet load. They'd be the default rodent treatment in countless places. They aren't - but then again, there's certainly no harm in trying if you want.
You'll note I use block style bait, not pellet type. I do so because mice hoard, and can spend a lot of time packing away uneaten bait in a stash before eating enough to die - you spend money to fill their pantries before you kill them. The block type locked in a bait station forces them to chew.
Good luck with your rodent control. Sorry if I stepped on any toes with my lecture.
Tom1998 Serengeti 3706300hp Cat 2126Allison 3060


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'95 Safari Continental, Cummins 8.3L, Allison MD3060
Mark Cushman
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Re: Rats

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'Just thought I’d give an update on my rat issue.   Also thanks to all who replied.   I found one point of entry.  The rats had torn thru a heating duct which goes to the bedroom thru the battery compartment. That duct runs thru a sheet metal box over the rear wheels.   I replaced that plastic duct with a 4” metal duct.  Inside of the compartment where I discovered rat dropping’s they tore out at least 2 ducts to get loose.  Still working on replacing those.  Much of this is hard to access as its next to or over the tanks.   I discovered a nest on top of one duct.  I removed from that area 2 mummified rats.  They obviously are not the ones that are leaving the current mess.   Yesterday I did a big clean up. This morning no new dropping’s.   So I’ve got my fingers crossed.Removed one ripped duct and have another to do.  Then replace them.   It’s a 100 around here this week so my time will be compromised working outside.
So that’s the update,
Mark1999 Safari 32’
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On Jul 11, 2019, at 11:27 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
 
WM,

I would call that more of a very informative article, packed with a
lot info and thought.

BTW, if your coach is anything like mine, there is a full on highway
for the critters to get in. On my coach, the back side of the gray and
black tanks are fully exposed to the outside elements, and that leaves
full excess between the frame rails for them to get in, among other
smaller spaces in the same are. Having an insulated basement, I
figured that the coach can handle moderately cold weather. Having
discovered this kind of foolish absurdity, I can not use the coach in
freezing weather, until I figure out a way to mitigate that issue, and
then pay someone to do the work, since I can't do it myself. I'm glad
that I discovered it before any cold weather camping, as it sure would
have been an ugly mess if the tanks froze and blew apart.

Please take a look and let me know if you have a similar issue. Maybe
it was just my coach that never got completed/enclosed properly...

As for the signature, unfortunately, Yahoo does not have an option for
a signature. I just copy and paste mine.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
6spd

On 7/11/19, bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]
wrote:
> Tom! I enjoyed that ‘lecture.’ All good information. And trust but verify
> definitely applies to these critters. Thanks for additional ideas. And I’ll
> 2nd the statement about them sticking! And they degrade to stick very
> quickly. So I’d add if you know you have a critterbor two then you want to
> check your rig at least every other day if you put out traps.
> Oh side note, I had a squirrel that was enjoying climbing up inside my back
> cap just aft of the engine, essentially above my lift gate access to the
> engine. I rolled rabbit cage wire and placed up in this crawl space (the
> width of the coach) then used the expanding foam to seal the area. This and
> a pellet rifle solved my squirrel issue.
> Thanks for the good info.
> R/wm
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 11, 2019, at 12:18 AM, astrnmrtom@... [Safarifriends]
>> wrote:
>>
>> The only way to stop-em, is to block-em. Get a bright flashlight, a
>> creeper and some safety glasses and roll around underneath looking for any
>> hole regardless of how small. You can stuff the hole with steel wool, or
>> stainless steel wool and hit it with expanding foam. Sometime a person
>> inside shining a flashlight can reveal holes to a person outside or vice
>> versa.
>>
>> Note that mice and rats can dislocate their shoulders and hips to fit
>> through any hole their skulls can fit through. Don't just look, but feel
>> around any area where hoses wire bundles penetrate a compartment wall. An
>> easy place to miss is behind the dash where large wire bundles come up
>> through the floor. Don't assume that just because the factory foamed
>> around them that it is a good seal. I found a gap in the center of my wire
>> bundle under the dash by sticking my finger in the center of the bundle.
>> Looked sealed visually. I thought I had mine sealed up tight and found
>> evidence of a mouse inside this summer. Grabbed my creeper and checked
>> again. This time I followed where my heater hoses to my hydronic system
>> passed through into the compartment had a finger sized gap between the
>> factory foam, and the hose. Couldn't see the compartment wall but I
>> reached up over the top of the propane tank and felt it with my finger.
>> One of my duties for the last 16 years of my work life was pest control
>> and I'm pretty good at knowing what to look for, but those little guys
>> always give me a run for the money. They can get into places I can't even
>> see. Just when i think I've got them beat, one proves me wrong so don't
>> expect this to be an easy battle. It takes patience and determination, the
>> same thing they have looking for a way in.
>>
>> When in storage, I have bait stations with block style bait under the rig
>> and a couple traps inside baited with peanut butter to monitor for
>> activity. I keep one trap in the main basement compartment, and one in the
>> bottom of a cabinet in the center of the rig. Always place traps on a
>> piece of thick cardboard because if you don't get the dead mouse out right
>> away, they rot and turn to smelly goo that can seep into floor surfaces
>> and is a bear to clean. I don't use snap traps because hearing one go off
>> in the middle of the night while satisfying, make it hard to go back to
>> sleep. I use ones that trap the mouse and can be tossed in the trash when
>> tripped. I also use electronic traps. One that they crawl into to get to
>> peanut butter at one end, and they are electrocuted. They cost about $20,
>> run on AA batteries and are reusable. The down side is if the mouse rots
>> in there, it can corrode the plates and they are harder to clean.
>>
>> I'll give my standard talk regarding so called repellents and home
>> remedies. Use them if you want, but always monitor with traps. As I like
>> to say - trust but verify. If it works for you then great. In our classes
>> we had experts show slides of mice sleeping under electronic mouse
>> chasers, and curled up in nice beds made of shredded dryer sheets. The
>> mistake most people make with rodent control is looking at the problem
>> with a human perspective.. We know we will avoid something that is
>> unpleasant and we assume pests will do the same. The problem is, they must
>> survive on a daily basis by foraging for food, water and shelter in a
>> hostile world. Rats travel and live in sewers so why would the smell of
>> perfume or mint interfere with them finding what they need? Humans do the
>> same to survive and all you need as proof is photos and videos of people
>> scavenging for food at landfills in poor countries, its just the average
>> person doesn't know what life is like when you struggle just to survive.
>>
>> The other thing people don't realize is rodents cause millions - if not
>> billions of dollars of loss and damage worldwide. I electronic pest
>> chasers or drier sheets worked, food processing plants, granaries,
>> restaurants and food storage facilities would be buying them by the pallet
>> load. They'd be the default rodent treatment in countless places. They
>> aren't - but then again, there's certainly no harm in trying if you want.
>>
>> You'll note I use block style bait, not pellet type. I do so because mice
>> hoard, and can spend a lot of time packing away uneaten bait in a stash
>> before eating enough to die - you spend money to fill their pantries
>> before you kill them. The block type locked in a bait station forces them
>> to chew.
>>
>> Good luck with your rodent control. Sorry if I stepped on any toes with my
>> lecture.
>>
>> Tom
>> 1998 Serengeti 3706
>> 300hp Cat 2126
>> Allison 3060
>>
>
'
Mark Cushman
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Re: Rats

Post by Mark Cushman »

'Well another rat update. 2 days after my last clean up I found they were still torturing me.  Soon after that I found a dead one in the main part of the compartment couldn’t have been dead long.  In cleaning up my vacuum dragged another one out from beside a tank. Had been dead definitely a little longer then the first. So my body count is 4.  Today I found what appears to be their main entry. 
This something that could show up on all of our rigs.  Using the vac I had pushed a large group of wires around, there is a drain coming from what  I assume is the black tank.  That tank is outside the compartment.  That 4” pipe joins the grey tank drain.  There was a giant hole above it nearly as big as the pipe itself. If I hadn’t moved the wires I would never have found it.  The bottom of the pipe is foamed in but nothing on the top and side.  Easy entry point.  You can’t see it from the underneath as the space is very narrow and the hole is mostly on the top of the pipe. Despite its hard to reach I believe I filled it closed today.  Then I found a 2nd opening under the shower it looks like at one time there was a board over it.  You can see the shower drain thru a 6” x 12” opening.  So tomorrow I’ll be closing that.  Cut a piece of plywood for it tonight. 
Now my question of the day.  My nose tells me there’s a dead one I haven’t found.  Any recommendations on dealing with the odor? I’ve exhausted my search and haven’t found it.  
Thanks,
Mark 1999 Safari 32’

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On Jul 12, 2019, at 7:46 PM, lotosrggp1@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
 
First, if you go to Amazon.com and search rv rodent repellent you will find lots of products which might or might not work. Haven't tried any of them.

Several years ago a coworker decided to store his Bounder motor home in his mother in laws currently unused former dairy barn over the winter. You can imagine the problems he had just rewiring it to start it in the spring much less the mess.

Tom
97 Safari Sahara 3550 300 HP CAT '
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