Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #

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Gary Smith
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Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #

Post by Gary Smith »

'Robert,I suspect they will be shipped directly from Koni to you.  Price is essentially the same as what I paid this spring from another company John suggested.  No tax, no shipping charge.
Gary ‘98 Sahara 3006 300 CAT--
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Bilmac36
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Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #

Post by Bilmac36 »

'Mark, Taylor, I have that Steer-safe on an ‘87 Holiday Rambler Imperial Presidential model 33’ with tag axle gas burner. Now for it, with the narrow 19.5” tires it helps it drive straight as a true arrow. And had same set up on same coach, but a 1991 many years ago. No wondering.
That said, I’m going to talk my experience for a minute as I often think and have read the steering issue can be a load balancing issue on the coach. Which in turns can be piss poor engineering on behalf of the builder.
I wound up with my Connie due to a wandering coach. I would say it drove as if it was an ol truck hauling a load of pulp wood. As if front wheels were barely on the road. I think that coach was a 30’ Sahara, had all the bells and whistles, but it was not for me due to the way it drove. It is coach I’ve made reference to that had the 330 hp Cat and it had the ponies to get up and go. Anyway, traded it for Connie.
Connie has Massive Sway bars front and rear. I just replaced the support arm bushing up front and will eventually do for the rear. I mention the massiveness of these sway bars as there are at least two well known outfits here in states that are know for their better ride control additions to chassis. After watching some of there YouTube videos I realized the “larger sway bars” they were installing on a rig to provide better steering control, etc appeared smaller than my OEMs. I did a bit of additional research and noted what is typically marketed are smaller diameter than mine. 
This group has been around for a while and It is possible someone has addressed your issue with a fix already. But if not I’d do two things. Figure out how the coach is weight balanced; and look into larger sway bars.
Regards, Willie, Connie is 40’ 1995 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd 

Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 29, 2019, at 12:53 PM, W Taylor Hudson fpengr@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
 
Unfortunately I can’t tell you how much it helps as it was on the coach when I bought it (never drove it without it).  I think the previous owner had about every  suspension product (except Koni shocks) made for that model installed.  Thanks for identifying that “accessory”.. v/r,
Taylor
‘98 Safari Serengeti (4060), CAT 3126
On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 1:46 PM Mark Cushman chvet73@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
 
The “contraption” appears to be a SteerSafe. See link 
http://www.steersafe.com/shop/steer-safe-unit

I’ve wondered if those are effective.  I have Tiger Trak and Konis on mine but not the contraption.  My front Konis were the wrong number so I have new ones waiting for me to install there.  
I’m real interested if the Steer safe helps with road wonder. Anything you can report on that would be greatly appreciated. 
Mark1999 Safari 32’ Velvet Ride. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 29, 2019, at 10:10 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

 
Gregory,

By your description it appears to be Bilstein shocks, but it does not
seem to be their numbers. If you can, look for other numbers stamped
on the shocks.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
6spd

On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
wrote:
> Thank you John. It is leaf spring suspension. The numbers I fit were 630856
> and p3015. Not sure of brand but they are yellow and blue coil overs. I’ll
> have to wait till tonight to get the measurements as I’m at work currently.
> Thanks again, Greg and Cheryl.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:41 AM, TD sdjhtm@...
> [Safarifriends]
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Gregory,
>
> You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.
>
> What chassis do you have?
> Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.
>
> Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand they are.
> Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and fully
> colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will do
> my best to find the info you need.
>
> John
> '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
> 6spd
>
> On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@...
> [Safarifriends]
>
> wrote:
>> Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on my
>> shocks
>> but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
>> robertfury@...
>> [Safarifriends]
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> $141, no tax, free shipping
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>




'
r/Willie
'95 Safari Continental, Cummins 8.3L, Allison MD3060
Bilmac36
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Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #

Post by Bilmac36 »

'Gary, Do you recall how long it took to get them using the free shipping?Thanks,Willie, Connie is ‘95 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd 

Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 29, 2019, at 2:08 PM, Gary Smith trekker01@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
 
Robert,I suspect they will be shipped directly from Koni to you.  Price is essentially the same as what I paid this spring from another company John suggested.  No tax, no shipping charge.
Gary ‘98 Sahara 3006 300 CAT--
Gary Smith
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'
r/Willie
'95 Safari Continental, Cummins 8.3L, Allison MD3060
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Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #

Post by robertfury@gmail.com »

'I ordered the recommended Koni shock for my Velvet ride chassis from a place called Ultra RV products in Washington state. Only fronts, to replace my bad choice in shocks to save money. My current shocks are made for semi truck, and it porpoises like crazy. As I reported, the Koni’s I ordered were 140, which is less than I have seen in the past. I found out the reason. Ultra called me, very helpful parts desk, said that the old Koni part number (only fronts) was being replaced. There is a new larger diameter Evo shock, by Koni, to replace the old part number. Sorry I don’t have the part numbers handy. Anyways, new shock has similar valving properties, works with the velvet ride chassis, but is suppose to be much better, last longer, smoother. Works better with heavier coaches, and evidently will replace the old Koni’s. So, they have both in stock for now, but my understanding is the old 88 series is on the outs. Go to their website and you can read about them. Also, this place really seemed to know their stuff, was very familiar with the velvet ride chassis, and they have other suspension parts available.

I will report back on their performance. Btw, they aren’t adjustable (Koni claims they are self adjusting, however that works). Nothing ventured nothing gained. Either way they CANT be worse than what I have now.'
TD
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Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #

Post by TD »

'I forgot to mention, even though these Koni shocks are called Koni
Reds, they can and do come in all sorts of different color. I have
had, red, black, and school bus orange.

By the way, I saw an early to mid 90's Safari today, with a nice big
bald eagle mural on the back. It rolled through Evergreen, CO around
5pm. Is it anyone on this group???

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
6spd

On 7/29/19, Gary Smith trekker01@... [Safarifriends]
wrote:
> Robert,
> I suspect they will be shipped directly from Koni to you. Price is
> essentially the same as what I paid this spring from another company John
> suggested. No tax, no shipping charge.
>
> Gary
> ‘98 Sahara 3006 300 CAT
> --
> *Gary Smith*
>
'
James King
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Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #

Post by James King »

'Hi  all,I just ordered new Koni shocks using the numbers youall posted several times, 881641sp3 for the front and 881458sp1 for the rear. The  ltb autosports said the number had changed  to 99b3254, so I bought the rear shock from him and bought the fronts from Ultra RV. ( with the old number) . Will also post results. 
PS, almost identical price for both
Sent from my iPhone, Jim king , 97 Serengeti 37 ft, cat 3126, Allison 6 spd.
On Jul 29, 2019, at 6:03 PM, robertfury@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
 
I ordered the recommended Koni shock for my Velvet ride chassis from a place called Ultra RV products in Washington state. Only fronts, to replace my bad choice in shocks to save money. My current shocks are made for semi truck, and it porpoises like crazy. As I reported, the Koni’s I ordered were 140, which is less than I have seen in the past. I found out the reason. Ultra called me, very helpful parts desk, said that the old Koni part number (only fronts) was being replaced. There is a new larger diameter Evo shock, by Koni, to replace the old part number. Sorry I don’t have the part numbers handy. Anyways, new shock has similar valving properties, works with the velvet ride chassis, but is suppose to be much better, last longer, smoother. Works better with heavier coaches, and evidently will replace the old Koni’s. So, they have both in stock for now, but my understanding is the old 88 series is on the outs. Go to their website and you can read about them. Also, this place really seemed to know their stuff, was very familiar with the velvet ride chassis, and they have other suspension parts available.

I will report back on their performance. Btw, they aren’t adjustable (Koni claims they are self adjusting, however that works). Nothing ventured nothing gained. Either way they CANT be worse than what I have now. '
TD
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Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #

Post by TD »

'Willie,

Like I stated before, order by part number, which means, IGNORE what
ever the site says for the application. Said another way, these are
custom picked for our coach that perform the best for our needs. Make
sure you install the front ones on the front, as I posted the numbers,
and the rear ones on the rear.


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
6spd


On 7/29/19, bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]
wrote:
> Firmest setting aye aye! I ordered the front two after our last email. Will
> wait a billing cycle and go for the aft ones. Hey, so glad you sent this, I
> wanted to get back to you, noted the website list the rear ones, 88-1458SP1,
> as a ‘front’ shock. Is that typical? I’ve attached both pix. Also, noted
> (may be due to influence of this site and users) appears they have our
> Magnum Chassis listed on the Front ones, 88-1641SP3! See pix.
>
> (My list is piling up on me. Headed to go get those new brake lines ordered
> and crossing fingers I can report good p/n numbers on here for those who are
> not in a location where the locals will manufacturer them.)
>
> John I’m going to ask a paint color question in a separate note, perhaps you
> are familiar with it.
>
> Thanks!
> Willie, Connie is 40’ 1995 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 29, 2019, at 1:34 PM, bilmac36 wrote:
>>
>> That color pattern is same for Bilsteins. Not sure if they have it
>> trademarked or not. But I’d put my 2cents and bet that’s what they are.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 29, 2019, at 11:57 AM, gregory snell newg-reg@...
>>> [Safarifriends] wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you John. It is leaf spring suspension. The numbers I fit were
>>> 630856 and p3015. Not sure of brand but they are yellow and blue coil
>>> overs. I’ll have to wait till tonight to get the measurements as I’m at
>>> work currently.
>>>
>>> Thanks again, Greg and Cheryl.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:41 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gregory,
>>>>
>>>> You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.
>>>>
>>>> What chassis do you have?
>>>> Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.
>>>>
>>>> Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand they
>>>> are.
>>>> Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and fully
>>>> colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will do
>>>> my best to find the info you need.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
>>>> 6spd
>>>>
>>>> On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on my
>>>> > shocks
>>>> > but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
>>>> >
>>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>>> >
>>>> > On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
>>>> > robertfury@... [Safarifriends]
>>>> >
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > $141, no tax, free shipping
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
'
TD
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Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #

Post by TD »

'There are many things that can cause sway and the tail wagging the
dog. One that gets overlooked often is King Pins, even a little play
can really do a number, especially if the front end is light. Also,
the most common issue on the short coaches with the light front end,
is very often the tires are over inflated and that makes the coach go
all over the road. If you posted on the group with your Sahara, we
likely would have helped you overcome those issues.
Did you ever have the Sahara weighed?
Did you adjust the tire pressure according to the weight you were carrying?

BTW, what mural did that Sahara have???

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
6spd

On 7/29/19, bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]
wrote:
> Mark, Taylor,
> I have that Steer-safe on an ‘87 Holiday Rambler Imperial Presidential model
> 33’ with tag axle gas burner. Now for it, with the narrow 19.5” tires it
> helps it drive straight as a true arrow. And had same set up on same coach,
> but a 1991 many years ago. No wondering.
>
> That said, I’m going to talk my experience for a minute as I often think and
> have read the steering issue can be a load balancing issue on the coach.
> Which in turns can be piss poor engineering on behalf of the builder.
>
> I wound up with my Connie due to a wandering coach. I would say it drove as
> if it was an ol truck hauling a load of pulp wood. As if front wheels were
> barely on the road. I think that coach was a 30’ Sahara, had all the bells
> and whistles, but it was not for me due to the way it drove. It is coach
> I’ve made reference to that had the 330 hp Cat and it had the ponies to get
> up and go. Anyway, traded it for Connie.
>
> Connie has Massive Sway bars front and rear. I just replaced the support arm
> bushing up front and will eventually do for the rear. I mention the
> massiveness of these sway bars as there are at least two well known outfits
> here in states that are know for their better ride control additions to
> chassis.. After watching some of there YouTube videos I realized the “larger
> sway bars” they were installing on a rig to provide better steering control,
> etc appeared smaller than my OEMs. I did a bit of additional research and
> noted what is typically marketed are smaller diameter than mine.
>
> This group has been around for a while and It is possible someone has
> addressed your issue with a fix already. But if not I’d do two things.
> Figure out how the coach is weight balanced; and look into larger sway
> bars.
>
> Regards,
> Willie, Connie is 40’ 1995 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 29, 2019, at 12:53 PM, W Taylor Hudson fpengr@...
>> [Safarifriends] wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately I can’t tell you how much it helps as it was on the coach
>> when I bought it (never drove it without it).
>> I think the previous owner had about every suspension product (except
>> Koni shocks) made for that model installed. Thanks for identifying that
>> “accessory”..
>> v/r,
>>
>> Taylor
>>
>> ‘98 Safari Serengeti (4060), CAT 3126
>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 1:46 PM Mark Cushman chvet73@...
>>> [Safarifriends] wrote:
>>>
>>> The “contraption” appears to be a SteerSafe. See link
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.steersafe.com/shop/steer-safe-unit
>>>
>>> I’ve wondered if those are effective. I have Tiger Trak and Konis on
>>> mine but not the contraption. My front Konis were the wrong number so I
>>> have new ones waiting for me to install there.
>>>
>>> I’m real interested if the Steer safe helps with road wonder. Anything
>>> you can report on that would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> 1999 Safari 32’ Velvet Ride.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jul 29, 2019, at 10:10 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gregory,
>>>>
>>>> By your description it appears to be Bilstein shocks, but it does not
>>>> seem to be their numbers. If you can, look for other numbers stamped
>>>> on the shocks.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
>>>> 6spd
>>>>
>>>> On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Thank you John. It is leaf spring suspension. The numbers I fit were
>>>> > 630856
>>>> > and p3015. Not sure of brand but they are yellow and blue coil overs.
>>>> > I’ll
>>>> > have to wait till tonight to get the measurements as I’m at work
>>>> > currently.
>>>> > Thanks again, Greg and Cheryl.
>>>> >
>>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>>> >
>>>> > On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:41 AM, TD
>>>> > sdjhtm@...
>>>> > [Safarifriends]
>>>> >
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Gregory,
>>>> >
>>>> > You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.
>>>> >
>>>> > What chassis do you have?
>>>> > Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.
>>>> >
>>>> > Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand they
>>>> > are.
>>>> > Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and fully
>>>> > colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will
>>>> > do
>>>> > my best to find the info you need.
>>>> >
>>>> > John
>>>> > '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
>>>> > 6spd
>>>> >
>>>> > On 7/29/19, gregory snell
>>>> > newg-reg@...
>>>> > [Safarifriends]
>>>> >
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >> Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on my
>>>> >> shocks
>>>> >> but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
>>>> >> robertfury@...
>>>> >> [Safarifriends]
>>>> >>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> $141, no tax, free shipping
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
'
TD
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Joined: Fri May 16, 2014 4:01 am

Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #

Post by TD »

'Taylor,

Yes, yes, and yes. Considering how new your Bilsteins look, if the
ride is acceptable to you, that use them till they wear out, then
upgrade to the koni shocks.

Judging by the pictures, you lucked out, as you have all the
suspension bells and whistles.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
6spd

On 7/29/19, W Taylor Hudson fpengr@... [Safarifriends]
wrote:
> While on this subject, I want to verify the Koni shocks are still
> recommended for a Velvet Ride chassis that has had Tiger Trak sway bars
> (look like lateral links), a Roadmaster Reflex steering stabilizer, and
> some type of bi-directional spring contraption across the bottom of the
> steering knuckle as pictured. A lateral link was also added to the rear
> axle. The previous owner reportedly spent a bunch of cash having this work
> at a Texas truck suspension shop that boasted have a Magnum Velvet Ride
> specialist. The package included Blisten shocks?
> v/r,
>
> Taylor Hudson
> ‘98 Safari Serengeti (4060), CAT 3126
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 12:40 PM TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <
> Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Gregory,
>>
>> You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.
>>
>> What chassis do you have?
>> Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.
>>
>> Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand they
>> are..
>> Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and fully
>> colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will do
>> my best to find the info you need.
>>
>> John
>> '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
>> 6spd
>>
>> On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
>> wrote:
>> > Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on my
>> shocks
>> > but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
>> > robertfury@... [Safarifriends]
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > $141, no tax, free shipping
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
'
TD
Posts: 767
Joined: Fri May 16, 2014 4:01 am

Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #

Post by TD »

'Robert,

Even though you don't state it directly, it sounds like you ordered
the Koni EVO 99 series shocks. If that is the case, let us know how
they work out. All I can tell you is the 88-1641SP3 shocks are proven,
and I know what their dampening specs are. With these new one, we
don't have the specs, Koni will spin a story to sell, so you will be
the first guinea pig. If you are disappointed, don't blame us. ;) If
it were me, for that kind of money, I would have stuck with what is
proven. Also, the 88 series are adjustable. In any case, please give
feed back on how they behave, so the group has something to go on.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
6spd

On 7/29/19, robertfury@... [Safarifriends]
wrote:
> I ordered the recommended Koni shock for my Velvet ride chassis from a place
> called Ultra RV products in Washington state. Only fronts, to replace my
> bad choice in shocks to save money. My current shocks are made for semi
> truck, and it porpoises like crazy. As I reported, the Koni’s I ordered
> were 140, which is less than I have seen in the past. I found out the
> reason. Ultra called me, very helpful parts desk, said that the old Koni
> part number (only fronts) was being replaced. There is a new larger
> diameter Evo shock, by Koni, to replace the old part number. Sorry I don’t
> have the part numbers handy. Anyways, new shock has similar valving
> properties, works with the velvet ride chassis, but is suppose to be much
> better, last longer, smoother. Works better with heavier coaches, and
> evidently will replace the old Koni’s. So, they have both in stock for now,
> but my understanding is the old 88 series is on the outs. Go to their
> website and you can read about them. Also, this place really seemed to know
> their stuff, was very familiar with the velvet ride chassis, and they have
> other suspension parts available.
>
> I will report back on their performance. Btw, they aren’t adjustable (Koni
> claims they are self adjusting, however that works). Nothing ventured
> nothing gained. Either way they CANT be worse than what I have now.
>
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