Re: Not getting any charge to House Batteries, No Galley Power

noslowsled · Post by **noslowsled** » Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:06 am

'
Hi All
So, I think I may have a problem that has come up with my Freedom 20 inverter or transfer switches.
Every time I plug in shore power it cuts power, lights, gfci plugs, tv monitor in galley. I also noticed that it doesn't appear to be charging my house batteries either.
I cleaned up all my battery cables and terminals and found a bad lug on the Positive side of the house battery bank. I changed out that lug with a new one .
It started charging again briefly, then loosing power in the galley and no charge.
I checked to see if I could get my batteries to charge with the generator or 12 volt from the alternator, It doesn't appear to be working from there either.
I momentarily got power and charging when i pushed the bottom transfer switch center button, but tripped almost immediately after.
checked my four house batteries all had a good charge of 6.5 volts. Freedom 20 Inverter did not pop any of its breakers.
Not sure what to do from here, any help would be appreciated.
Thank You
Colin Caldwell
97 Sahara 3530, Magnum Chassis,
.

'

TD · Post by TD » Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:47 am

'Colin,

When you are plugged in and having this issue, do your front and rear
a/c units work on shore power, during this problem? If you have not
tested if they work, please check and see if they work, or if just one
of them works.

Please post a picture and clarify the button you pushed on the transfer switch.

It sounds like there is an issue possibly in a few different places.
It could be burnt contacts in the transfer switch, loose wiring in the
transfer switch, power post, or where your cord connects to your
coach.
Do you have a power cord reel? If yes the brush contacts and slip
rings can get pitted and arch out/burnout. All these things have to be
checked.

It is also possible that the wiring in the inverter is loose and
arching out or the transfer switch in the inverter is acting up. Test
and see if the a/c units are working (one or both), and then we will
have a bit of a better idea where the problem might be.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
6spd

On 8/8/19, noslowsled@... [Safarifriends]
wrote:

> Hi All
> So, I think I may have a problem that has come up with my Freedom 20
> inverter or transfer switches.
> Every time I plug in shore power it cuts power, lights, gfci plugs, tv
> monitor in galley. I also noticed that it doesn't appear to be charging my
> house batteries either.
> I cleaned up all my battery cables and terminals and found a bad lug on the
> Positive side of the house battery bank. I changed out that lug with a new
> one .
> It started charging again briefly, then loosing power in the galley and no
> charge.
> I checked to see if I could get my batteries to charge with the generator
> or 12 volt from the alternator, It doesn't appear to be working from there
> either.
> I momentarily got power and charging when i pushed the bottom transfer
> switch center button, but tripped almost immediately after.
>
> checked my four house batteries all had a good charge of 6.5 volts. Freedom
> 20 Inverter did not pop any of its breakers.
> Not sure what to do from here, any help would be appreciated.
> Thank You
> Colin Caldwell
> 97 Sahara 3530, Magnum Chassis,
> .
>
>
>
>

'

Colin Caldwell · Post by **Colin Caldwell** » Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:00 am

'Attachments :I’ll check the ac units to see if there is a problem. I noticed a slightly melted black wire coming from the upper ats unit. I tightened all the connections on both ATS units in the housingI had to change a bad battery lug on the positive terminal this might be where all the problem is coming from.. Just a thought. Thank YouColin97 Sahara 3530Magnum Chassis Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: August 9, 2019 9:00 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Not getting any charge to House Batteries, NoGalley Power
Colin,

When you are plugged in and having this issue, do your front and rear
a/c units work on shore power, during this problem? If you have not
tested if they work, please check and see if they work, or if just one
of them works.

Please post a picture and clarify the button you pushed on the transfer switch.

It sounds like there is an issue possibly in a few different places.
It could be burnt contacts in the transfer switch, loose wiring in the
transfer switch, power post, or where your cord connects to your
coach.
Do you have a power cord reel? If yes the brush contacts and slip
rings can get pitted and arch out/burnout. All these things have to be
checked.

It is also possible that the wiring in the inverter is loose and
arching out or the transfer switch in the inverter is acting up. Test
and see if the a/c units are working (one or both), and then we will
have a bit of a better idea where the problem might be.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
6spd

On 8/8/19, noslowsled@... [Safarifriends]
wrote:

> Hi All
> So, I think I may have a problem that has come up with my Freedom 20
> inverter or transfer switches.
> Every time I plug in shore power it cuts power, lights, gfci plugs, tv
> monitor in galley. I also noticed that it doesn't appear to be charging my
> house batteries either.
> I cleaned up all my battery cables and terminals and found a bad lug on the
> Positive side of the house battery bank. I changed out that lug with a new
> one .
> It started charging again briefly, then loosing power in the galley and no
> charge.
> I checked to see if I could get my batteries to charge with the generator
> or 12 volt from the alternator, It doesn't appear to be working from there
> either.
> I momentarily got power and charging when i pushed the bottom transfer
> switch center button, but tripped almost immediately after.
>
> checked my four house batteries all had a good charge of 6.5 volts. Freedom
> 20 Inverter did not pop any of its breakers.
> Not sure what to do from here, any help would be appreciated.
> Thank You
> Colin Caldwell
> 97 Sahara 3530, Magnum Chassis,
> .
>
>
>
>

'

Lois Lopez · Post by **Lois Lopez** » Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:14 am

'Colin: It’s interesting you mention a black wire coming from an “upper ats unit”. I assume you mean ac unit. I’m replying because my husband, Darryl, spent many hours troubleshooting why the front roof-top AC stopped working out of the blue last year. He found a new motor (I posted that info a year ago - the original part number has been replaced with a NEW part number, making these motors hard to locate), and replaced the motor, after testing other elements. While it was on his work table, he tested both motors, and the old motor actually worked! He then found that it was a very poorly secured (black) wire that had eventually worked its way use - probably from driving down the road. It was all within the unit in the ceiling, so maybe your hanging black wire has an important use!
Good luck!
Lois&Darryl’01 Serengeti, 350 Cummins; 6-spd Allison(Owned 3 years)

On Aug 9, 2019, at 10:36 AM, Colin Caldwell noslowsled@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

I’ll check the ac units to see if there is a problem. I noticed a slightly melted black wire coming from the upper ats unit. I tightened all the connections on both ATS units in the housingI had to change a bad battery lug on the positive terminal this might be where all the problem is coming from.. Just a thought. Thank YouColin97 Sahara 3530Magnum Chassis Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: August 9, 2019 9:00 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Not getting any charge to House Batteries, NoGalley Power Colin,

When you are plugged in and having this issue, do your front and rear
a/c units work on shore power, during this problem? If you have not
tested if they work, please check and see if they work, or if just one
of them works.

Please post a picture and clarify the button you pushed on the transfer switch.

It sounds like there is an issue possibly in a few different places.
It could be burnt contacts in the transfer switch, loose wiring in the
transfer switch, power post, or where your cord connects to your
coach.
Do you have a power cord reel? If yes the brush contacts and slip
rings can get pitted and arch out/burnout. All these things have to be
checked.

It is also possible that the wiring in the inverter is loose and
arching out or the transfer switch in the inverter is acting up. Test
and see if the a/c units are working (one or both), and then we will
have a bit of a better idea where the problem might be.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
6spd

On 8/8/19, noslowsled@... [Safarifriends]
wrote:
> Hi All
> So, I think I may have a problem that has come up with my Freedom 20
> inverter or transfer switches.
> Every time I plug in shore power it cuts power, lights, gfci plugs, tv
> monitor in galley. I also noticed that it doesn't appear to be charging my
> house batteries either.
> I cleaned up all my battery cables and terminals and found a bad lug on the
> Positive side of the house battery bank. I changed out that lug with a new
> one .
> It started charging again briefly, then loosing power in the galley and no
> charge.
> I checked to see if I could get my batteries to charge with the generator
> or 12 volt from the alternator, It doesn't appear to be working from there
> either.
> I momentarily got power and charging when i pushed the bottom transfer
> switch center button, but tripped almost immediately after.
>
> checked my four house batteries all had a good charge of 6.5 volts. Freedom
> 20 Inverter did not pop any of its breakers.
> Not sure what to do from here, any help would be appreciated.
> Thank You
> Colin Caldwell
> 97 Sahara 3530, Magnum Chassis,
> .
>
>
>
>

'

Colin Caldwell · Post by **Colin Caldwell** » Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:15 pm

'Attachments :Hi LoisThank you.. I was in reference to the Automatic transfer switch next to the power inverter.Colin Caldwell97 Sahara, 3530 Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: August 9, 2019 1:16 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Not getting any charge to House Batteries,NoGalley Power
Colin: It’s interesting you mention a black wire coming from an “upper ats unit”. I assume you mean ac unit. I’m replying because my husband, Darryl, spent many hours troubleshooting why the front roof-top AC stopped working out of the blue last year. He found a new motor (I posted that info a year ago - the original part number has been replaced with a NEW part number, making these motors hard to locate), and replaced the motor, after testing other elements. While it was on his work table, he tested both motors, and the old motor actually worked! He then found that it was a very poorly secured (black) wire that had eventually worked its way use - probably from driving down the road. It was all within the unit in the ceiling, so maybe your hanging black wire has an important use! Good luck! Lois&Darryl’01 Serengeti, 350 Cummins; 6-spd Allison(Owned 3 years)

On Aug 9, 2019, at 10:36 AM, Colin Caldwell noslowsled@... [Safarifriends] wrote: I’ll check the ac units to see if there is a problem. I noticed a slightly melted black wire coming from the upper ats unit. I tightened all the connections on both ATS units in the housingI had to change a bad battery lug on the positive terminal this might be where all the problem is coming from.. Just a thought. Thank YouColin97 Sahara 3530Magnum Chassis Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: August 9, 2019 9:00 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Not getting any charge to House Batteries, NoGalley Power Colin,

When you are plugged in and having this issue, do your front and rear
a/c units work on shore power, during this problem? If you have not
tested if they work, please check and see if they work, or if just one
of them works.

Please post a picture and clarify the button you pushed on the transfer switch.

It sounds like there is an issue possibly in a few different places.
It could be burnt contacts in the transfer switch, loose wiring in the
transfer switch, power post, or where your cord connects to your
coach.
Do you have a power cord reel? If yes the brush contacts and slip
rings can get pitted and arch out/burnout. All these things have to be
checked.

It is also possible that the wiring in the inverter is loose and
arching out or the transfer switch in the inverter is acting up. Test
and see if the a/c units are working (one or both), and then we will
have a bit of a better idea where the problem might be.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
6spd

On 8/8/19, noslowsled@... [Safarifriends]
wrote:
> Hi All
> So, I think I may have a problem that has come up with my Freedom 20
> inverter or transfer switches.
> Every time I plug in shore power it cuts power, lights, gfci plugs, tv
> monitor in galley. I also noticed that it doesn't appear to be charging my
> house batteries either.
> I cleaned up all my battery cables and terminals and found a bad lug on the
> Positive side of the house battery bank. I changed out that lug with a new
> one .
> It started charging again briefly, then loosing power in the galley and no
> charge.
> I checked to see if I could get my batteries to charge with the generator
> or 12 volt from the alternator, It doesn't appear to be working from there
> either.
> I momentarily got power and charging when i pushed the bottom transfer
> switch center button, but tripped almost immediately after.
>
> checked my four house batteries all had a good charge of 6.5 volts. Freedom
> 20 Inverter did not pop any of its breakers.
> Not sure what to do from here, any help would be appreciated.
> Thank You
> Colin Caldwell
> 97 Sahara 3530, Magnum Chassis,
> .
>
>
>
>

'

Robert Lewis · Post by **Robert Lewis** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:07 am

' To second what John has said, I had a problem with my power reel and it caused caused problems that I thought was the inverter. If you check the link in my signature and click thru... there is a presentation on my power reel fixes. You may not have the same reel or problem but it is srarting point.
I have my 2KW Xantrex that I will list on Ebay shortly... I changed to a 3KW unit. It and the drivetrain were about the only things the Burger Flippers re-purposed as expert RV techs, didn't manage to damage, ...its built like a tank. My guess would be that your inverter is ok. If you can get/borrow a Digital Volt Meter(Fluke... etc) with a "Min/Max Hold" setting, you can set it to Min and capture if the input is dropping out.
Robert and Bev Lewis2000 Safari Continental, since 20173126B Cat, 330hpMD3060 Allison
https://safaritoonces.org

Robert and Bev Lewis2000 Safari Continental, since 20173126B Cat, 330hpMD3060 Allison
https://safaritoonces.org

On August 9, 2019 9:00:20 AM "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" wrote:
Colin,

When you are plugged in and having this issue, do your front and rear
a/c units work on shore power, during this problem? If you have not
tested if they work, please check and see if they work, or if just one
of them works.

Please post a picture and clarify the button you pushed on the transfer switch.

It sounds like there is an issue possibly in a few different places.
It could be burnt contacts in the transfer switch, loose wiring in the
transfer switch, power post, or where your cord connects to your
coach.
Do you have a power cord reel? If yes the brush contacts and slip
rings can get pitted and arch out/burnout. All these things have to be
checked.

It is also possible that the wiring in the inverter is loose and
arching out or the transfer switch in the inverter is acting up. Test
and see if the a/c units are working (one or both), and then we will
have a bit of a better idea where the problem might be.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
6spd

On 8/8/19, noslowsled@... [Safarifriends]
wrote:
> Hi All
> So, I think I may have a problem that has come up with my Freedom 20
> inverter or transfer switches.
> Every time I plug in shore power it cuts power, lights, gfci plugs, tv
> monitor in galley. I also noticed that it doesn't appear to be charging my
> house batteries either.
> I cleaned up all my battery cables and terminals and found a bad lug on the
> Positive side of the house battery bank. I changed out that lug with a new
> one .
> It started charging again briefly, then loosing power in the galley and no
> charge.
> I checked to see if I could get my batteries to charge with the generator
> or 12 volt from the alternator, It doesn't appear to be working from there
> either.
> I momentarily got power and charging when i pushed the bottom transfer
> switch center button, but tripped almost immediately after.
>
> checked my four house batteries all had a good charge of 6.5 volts. Freedom
> 20 Inverter did not pop any of its breakers.
> Not sure what to do from here, any help would be appreciated.
> Thank You
> Colin Caldwell
> 97 Sahara 3530, Magnum Chassis,
> .
>
>
>
>

'

Lois Lopez · Post by **Lois Lopez** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:49 am

'I HATE Yahoo!
I was responding to a string that was discussing AC issues. So I apologize.
Lois

On Aug 10, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Robert Lewis robert.lewis.tl@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

To second what John has said, I had a problem with my power reel and it caused caused problems that I thought was the inverter. If you check the link in my signature and click thru... there is a presentation on my power reel fixes. You may not have the same reel or problem but it is srarting point.
I have my 2KW Xantrex that I will list on Ebay shortly... I changed to a 3KW unit. It and the drivetrain were about the only things the Burger Flippers re-purposed as expert RV techs, didn't manage to damage, ...its built like a tank. My guess would be that your inverter is ok. If you can get/borrow a Digital Volt Meter(Fluke... etc) with a "Min/Max Hold" setting, you can set it to Min and capture if the input is dropping out.
Robert and Bev Lewis2000 Safari Continental, since 20173126B Cat, 330hpMD3060 Allison
https://safaritoonces.org

Robert and Bev Lewis2000 Safari Continental, since 20173126B Cat, 330hpMD3060 Allison
https://safaritoonces.org
On August 9, 2019 9:00:20 AM "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" wrote: Colin,

When you are plugged in and having this issue, do your front and rear
a/c units work on shore power, during this problem? If you have not
tested if they work, please check and see if they work, or if just one
of them works.

Please post a picture and clarify the button you pushed on the transfer switch.

It sounds like there is an issue possibly in a few different places.
It could be burnt contacts in the transfer switch, loose wiring in the
transfer switch, power post, or where your cord connects to your
coach.
Do you have a power cord reel? If yes the brush contacts and slip
rings can get pitted and arch out/burnout. All these things have to be
checked.

It is also possible that the wiring in the inverter is loose and
arching out or the transfer switch in the inverter is acting up. Test
and see if the a/c units are working (one or both), and then we will
have a bit of a better idea where the problem might be.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
6spd

On 8/8/19, noslowsled@... [Safarifriends]
wrote:
> Hi All
> So, I think I may have a problem that has come up with my Freedom 20
> inverter or transfer switches.
> Every time I plug in shore power it cuts power, lights, gfci plugs, tv
> monitor in galley. I also noticed that it doesn't appear to be charging my
> house batteries either.
> I cleaned up all my battery cables and terminals and found a bad lug on the
> Positive side of the house battery bank. I changed out that lug with a new
> one .
> It started charging again briefly, then loosing power in the galley and no
> charge.
> I checked to see if I could get my batteries to charge with the generator
> or 12 volt from the alternator, It doesn't appear to be working from there
> either.
> I momentarily got power and charging when i pushed the bottom transfer
> switch center button, but tripped almost immediately after.
>
> checked my four house batteries all had a good charge of 6.5 volts. Freedom
> 20 Inverter did not pop any of its breakers.
> Not sure what to do from here, any help would be appreciated.
> Thank You
> Colin Caldwell
> 97 Sahara 3530, Magnum Chassis,
> .
>
>
>
>

'

Robert Lewis · Post by **Robert Lewis** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:57 am

' I hear you. Using Yahoo is like herding cats on the back of a three legged camel.
Robert and Bev Lewis2000 Safari Continental, since 20173126B Cat, 330hpMD3060 Allison
https://safaritoonces.org

On August 10, 2019 9:49:28 AM "Lois Lopez loislop@... [Safarifriends]" wrote:
I HATE Yahoo!
I was responding to a string that was discussing AC issues. So I apologize.
Lois

On Aug 10, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Robert Lewis robert.lewis.tl@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

To second what John has said, I had a problem with my power reel and it caused caused problems that I thought was the inverter. If you check the link in my signature and click thru... there is a presentation on my power reel fixes. You may not have the same reel or problem but it is srarting point.
I have my 2KW Xantrex that I will list on Ebay shortly... I changed to a 3KW unit. It and the drivetrain were about the only things the Burger Flippers re-purposed as expert RV techs, didn't manage to damage, ...its built like a tank. My guess would be that your inverter is ok. If you can get/borrow a Digital Volt Meter(Fluke... etc) with a "Min/Max Hold" setting, you can set it to Min and capture if the input is dropping out.
Robert and Bev Lewis2000 Safari Continental, since 20173126B Cat, 330hpMD3060 Allison
https://safaritoonces.org

Robert and Bev Lewis2000 Safari Continental, since 20173126B Cat, 330hpMD3060 Allison
https://safaritoonces.org
On August 9, 2019 9:00:20 AM "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" wrote: Colin,

When you are plugged in and having this issue, do your front and rear
a/c units work on shore power, during this problem? If you have not
tested if they work, please check and see if they work, or if just one
of them works.

Please post a picture and clarify the button you pushed on the transfer switch.

It sounds like there is an issue possibly in a few different places.
It could be burnt contacts in the transfer switch, loose wiring in the
transfer switch, power post, or where your cord connects to your
coach.
Do you have a power cord reel? If yes the brush contacts and slip
rings can get pitted and arch out/burnout. All these things have to be
checked.

It is also possible that the wiring in the inverter is loose and
arching out or the transfer switch in the inverter is acting up. Test
and see if the a/c units are working (one or both), and then we will
have a bit of a better idea where the problem might be.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
6spd

On 8/8/19, noslowsled@... [Safarifriends]
wrote:
> Hi All
> So, I think I may have a problem that has come up with my Freedom 20
> inverter or transfer switches.
> Every time I plug in shore power it cuts power, lights, gfci plugs, tv
> monitor in galley. I also noticed that it doesn't appear to be charging my
> house batteries either.
> I cleaned up all my battery cables and terminals and found a bad lug on the
> Positive side of the house battery bank. I changed out that lug with a new
> one .
> It started charging again briefly, then loosing power in the galley and no
> charge.
> I checked to see if I could get my batteries to charge with the generator
> or 12 volt from the alternator, It doesn't appear to be working from there
> either.
> I momentarily got power and charging when i pushed the bottom transfer
> switch center button, but tripped almost immediately after.
>
> checked my four house batteries all had a good charge of 6.5 volts. Freedom
> 20 Inverter did not pop any of its breakers.
> Not sure what to do from here, any help would be appreciated.
> Thank You
> Colin Caldwell
> 97 Sahara 3530, Magnum Chassis,
> .
>
>
>
>

'

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