Re: Yahoo hosted Safari site going away

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wolfe102001
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Re: Yahoo hosted Safari site going away

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'Sorry, Yahoo cuts off the end of the address and I do not know how to send a private message on this Yahoo site.
You can Private Message me on the FMCA Forum (I am the moderator):
https://community.fmca.com/profile/1986-wolfe10/?wr=eyJhcHAiOiJmb3J1bXMiLCJtb2R1bGUiOiJmb3J1bXMtY29tbWVudCIsImlkXzEiOjc5MzYsImlkXzIiOjEyNDY4Mn0=
If that doesn't pull up my personal profile, just click on my avitar in any of my posts.  Here is one:https://community.fmca.com/topic/14732-engine-temperature-fluctuation-concern-or-not/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-124610
Brett
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mel96safari
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Incomplete email address (was: Yahoo hosted Safari site going away

Post by mel96safari »

'Pete  
Apparently you are not aware that those of us who read Yahoo group the messages online, (via email only), only see a truncated version of email addresses included in those messages.
(Yours displays as btpete@....).
When I need to include my email address in a message I type:  Stuplich at gmail dot com.

Mel'96 Sahara

---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Brett, can you put me in touch with the guru you mentioned? My email is btpete@....'
Robert Lewis
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Re: Yahoo hosted Safari site going away

Post by Robert Lewis »

' Robert
You make some good and insightful points.
I would suggest that the SafariFriends site be looked at in two descrete parts... after Oct 28.
  1. The Past, up to Oct 28
    • This is the 20 years of information in messages, photos and files.
    • All this is safe. I will down load the entire information set on Oct 28, we have this information as of Oct 19. 
    • If someone wants to take on tbe task of finding a way to import the all the message information into an Apple PC, I will export the file in SQL records.
    • A PC solution exists, and costs $14.95 for the program. This goes to the developer who has spent 20+ years writing and maintaining the software everytime Micosoft changed their operating sysytem. As Robert and I would also note, this not unreasonable. And as I have pointed out repeatedly, and do so again, I do not receive any money for anything. Those that buy the software use the paid for program to look at the messages provided for free from thr free download of the database messages that I have freely made available. So no-one should feel free to re-interpret anything above. ( humor not sarcasm intended).
  2. After Oct 28
    • A forum solution is needed. We can use Wordpress with a free account and a free forum plug-in.
      • A plug-in is an add-on software module with free basic functions. The developers offer more functions targeted to e-commerce sites because that is their revenue stream. There has to be some return for the time and life they invest as Robert notes above.
      • However we fit in the gap, we have no e-commerce traffic, therefore for the limited amount of users and storage we have and we won't need to buy added funtionality. For example this is how I run the site in my signature.
      • or for 60$ per year we can go to a paid hosting site like Wordpress or Blue Hosting to mention just two that I use. Any of these will provide all the bandwidth and storage we will ever need. And there are free security plug-ins
    • The new site will have new information and old users (no pun intended, however true in my case)
    • The old information can be loaded into the new site with little problem
    • My suggestion would be to combine the SafarMotorHomes and SafariFriends databases (archives) given we have both available now. I dont know the history of the split, but by now with a lot of years passed and a lot of the upset feels have mellowed, combined with age, wisdom and basic tiredness that should have washed out the differences, maybe the sites could be reunited and the work load shared.
Robert and Bev Lewis2000 Safari Continental, since 20173126B Cat, 330hpMD3060 Allison
https://safaritoonces.org
On October 25, 2019 9:27:31 AM "robertfury@... [Safarifriends]" wrote:  
To each their own, but.....

Nothing is free in life. Storing info isn’t free. Managing a site isn’t free. Time isn’t free.

Given that, the one sure way to ensure that the valuable info on this site is lost is to insist that none of it be used to profit, ie recoup costs including that of time.

I have saved innumerable dollars by using this site, and my labor, to repair my RV. That has value. By insisting that no one use it to profit is not seeing the forest for the trees, in my opinion. It limits the options to continue this site. It limits those who will step up. And in the end, it will limit the information from being distributed, which I thought was the entire point. And losing the site to the the purists who demand no one profit, will in the end be far more costly tho those trying to repair their Safari than the minimum costs they would incur to keep the site going.

Food for thought.

Robert Fury
1994 Safari Continental

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bilmac36 .
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Re: Yahoo hosted Safari site going away

Post by bilmac36 . »

'Thanks for the follow up. And yes I agree "your mileage may vary." Good explanations and scenario of understanding pros and cons surrounding online security features. Thanks, 
Respectfully, Willie, 1995 40’ Continental, 8.3L Cummins, Allison 6 spd,   Owned since 1999/2000. Central Time Zone. 
On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 10:11 AM btpete@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
 
RE: R/Willie question about security -- there a a few layers in place, but nothing excessive. The standard security controls common to most such forums are in place i.e. access control (approval required for new registrations), admin permissions, moderator permissions, etc; the site itself uses HTTPS (the lock on the browser address bar) so communications between your browser and the site are encrypted; admin passwords are longs and complex; the underlying OS is a Linux platform, which is relatively more secure compared to Windows; and the Linode VPS platform is secure and robust without the complexity that makes it easier to inadvertently do something that will decrease security.
More can be done, of course, but there comes a time when security intersects the user experience, and for many of us, having to do something like type in a username, password and CAPTCHA every time we want to write a post or upload a file could mean skipping the activity altogether. I do not personally put protected information out in forums, so my comfort level with fewer security controls is correspondingly higher. As with so much of today's world, it comes down to personal preference and as always, YMMV.
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btpete
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Re: Incomplete email address (was: Yahoo hosted Safari site going a

Post by btpete »

'Mel: Thank you for pointing out my oversight!

Brett: my email address is btpeteATyahooDOTcom
Brian

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Brian

1998 Safari Continental 40'
Cat 3126B 330 HP
2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee
Boise, Idaho
mel96safari
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Re: Yahoo hosted Safari site going away

Post by mel96safari »

'Robert L
That is a great idea/suggestion...however given their past history... combining RG's "Safarifriends" with  "safarimotorhomes" owned by Kareninthewoods might not sit well with either RG or Karen.
IMO it will take a miracle worker...or a little subterfuge (aka: the use of clever underhanded actions to achieve an end), to get THAT done.
Mel'96 Sahara

---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
  • My suggestion would be to combine the SafarMotorHomes and SafariFriends databases (archives) given we have both available now. I dont know the history of the split, but by now with a lot of years passed and a lot of the upset feels have mellowed, combined with age, wisdom and basic tiredness that should have washed out the differences, maybe the sites could be reunited and the work load shared.
Robert and Bev Lewis2000 Safari Continental, since 2017

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TD
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Re: Yahoo hosted Safari site going away

Post by TD »

'Robert (and Jim),

To a degree, I understand what you are saying, but it appears that you
are taking a very narrowly defined, lawyerly approach, regarding this
matter. It also seems like you have misunderstood or redefined the
meaning of profit. Same goes for Jim E, but to the other extreme.
Recouping expense cost, say for a software program, or the cost of
high storage capacity is NOT profit, unless you are charging more than
the actual cost. Also, saving money by doing your own work, with the
help of free tools like wiring diagrams or video tutorials by no means
is profit. Cost saving? Yes, absolutely! Profit? No, not by
definition nor common sense interpretation.

I understand where both, you and Jim E. are coming from. Too much
restriction, will, at a minimum, breed stagnancy, avoidance, and
eventual demise of the group. But for those like Jim, who kindly
choose to donate their time and financial resources to help and
benefit others, it is completely understandable to request that no one
profits off of their hard work. That said, the definition of profit
has to be realistic and reasonable. Maybe Jim's definition of profit
might be a bit narrow or skewed too, but more than likely, he just
misunderstood what Robert did, and the efforts he went through
"saving" all the content, for "our" benefit. On the other hand, if
someone was making and selling CDs of Jim's diagrams or selling "how
to" tutorials using Jim's or others members' content, then I can fully
understand being upset about someone profiting off of their free
content, but in Roberts case, where he went through the expense and
effort to preserve files to the benefit of all members, and offers an
"option" for members to preserve their own personal copy of all data,
at a small cost of needing to buy a software program to access the
data in a useful way. This scenario, by no means, falls under the term
profit, as Robert is not making any money from this, and it is just a
needed tool to access the data, same as needing a computer ($$) to
access data. To think otherwise would be like saying, ok, because
members need to by a computer and internet software to see the files,
that is making profit of my items that people are supposed to have for
free. There needs to be a realistic middle ground in all of this, as
both extremes are counterproductive. Even if well intended, these
extremes, kind of, come of looking a bit ridiculous, not to mention
totally unrealistic.
In either case, it is technically Jim's content and we have to oblige
to his terms if we want to use it. Hopefully he will understand the
practical side of technology required to view free content. It takes
electricity, computers, software, internet, etc. to view his content,
non of that is free, but also no member makes a profit off of his free
stuff.

Sorry to be blunt, but that is my two cents that will hopefully make sense. ;-)


John
'95 Serengeti Cummins C8.3-300
Allison 6spd.

On 10/25/19, robertfury@... [Safarifriends]
wrote:
> To each their own, but.....
>
> Nothing is free in life. Storing info isn’t free. Managing a site isn’t
> free. Time isn’t free.
>
> Given that, the one sure way to ensure that the valuable info on this site
> is lost is to insist that none of it be used to profit, ie recoup costs
> including that of time.
>
> I have saved innumerable dollars by using this site, and my labor, to repair
> my RV. That has value. By insisting that no one use it to profit is not
> seeing the forest for the trees, in my opinion. It limits the options to
> continue this site. It limits those who will step up. And in the end, it
> will limit the information from being distributed, which I thought was the
> entire point. And losing the site to the the purists who demand no one
> profit, will in the end be far more costly tho those trying to repair their
> Safari than the minimum costs they would incur to keep the site going.
>
> Food for thought.
>
> Robert Fury
> 1994 Safari Continental
>
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> Subscribe: Safarifriends-subscribe@onelist.com
> Unsubscribe: Safarifriends-unsubscribe@onelist.com
> List owner: Safarifriends-owner@onelist.com
>
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Mr. G.
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Re: Yahoo hosted Safari site going away

Post by Mr. G. »

' I hate to burst anyone’s bubble but once you post information in a public forum, it no longer classified as private property. Hence any and all uploads to the Safarifriends page is public domain information. One no longer can claim it to be privately owed or proprietary information unless it is copy righted. One or two of you are losing sight of what we are all about… Safari FRINDS.  RG   Sent from Mail for Windows 10   From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com on behalf of TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 4:33:33 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Yahoo hosted Safari site going away
  Robert (and Jim),

To a degree, I understand what you are saying, but it appears that you
are taking a very narrowly defined, lawyerly approach, regarding this
matter. It also seems like you have misunderstood or redefined the
meaning of profit. Same goes for Jim E, but to the other extreme.
Recouping expense cost, say for a software program, or the cost of
high storage capacity is NOT profit, unless you are charging more than
the actual cost. Also, saving money by doing your own work, with the
help of free tools like wiring diagrams or video tutorials by no means
is profit. Cost saving?  Yes, absolutely!  Profit?  No, not by
definition nor common sense interpretation.

I understand where both, you and Jim E. are coming from. Too much
restriction, will, at a minimum, breed stagnancy, avoidance, and
eventual demise of the group. But for those like Jim, who kindly
choose to donate their time and financial resources to help and
benefit others, it is completely understandable to request that no one
profits off of their hard work. That said, the definition of profit
has to be realistic and reasonable. Maybe Jim's definition of profit
might be a bit narrow or skewed too, but more than likely, he just
misunderstood what Robert did, and the efforts he went through
"saving" all the content, for "our" benefit. On the other hand, if
someone was making and selling CDs of Jim's diagrams or selling "how
to" tutorials using Jim's or others members' content, then I can fully
understand being upset about someone profiting off of their free
content, but in Roberts case, where he went through the expense and
effort to preserve files to the benefit of all members, and offers an
"option" for members to preserve their own personal copy of all data,
at a small cost of needing to buy a software program to access the
data in a useful way. This scenario, by no means, falls under the term
profit, as Robert is not making any money from this, and it is just a
needed tool to access the data, same as needing a computer ($$) to
access data. To think otherwise would be like saying, ok, because
members need to by a computer and internet software to see the files,
that is making profit of my items that people are supposed to have for
free. There needs to be a realistic middle ground in all of this, as
both extremes are counterproductive. Even if well intended, these
extremes, kind of, come of looking a bit ridiculous, not to mention
totally unrealistic.
In either case, it is technically Jim's content and we have to oblige
to his terms if we want to use it. Hopefully he will understand the
practical side of technology required to view free content. It takes
electricity, computers, software, internet, etc. to view his content,
non of that is free, but also no member makes a profit off of his free
stuff.

Sorry to be blunt, but that is my two cents that will hopefully make sense. ;-)


John
'95 Serengeti Cummins C8.3-300
Allison 6spd.

On 10/25/19, robertfury@... [Safarifriends]
wrote:
> To each their own, but.....
>
> Nothing is free in life. Storing info isn’t free. Managing a site isn’t
> free. Time isn’t free.
>
> Given that, the one sure way to ensure that the valuable info on this site
> is lost is to insist that none of it be used to profit, ie recoup costs
> including that of time.
>
> I have saved innumerable dollars by using this site, and my labor, to repair
> my RV. That has value. By insisting that no one use it to profit is not
> seeing the forest for the trees, in my opinion. It limits the options to
> continue this site. It limits those who will step up. And in the end, it
> will limit the information from being distributed, which I thought was the
> entire point. And losing the site to the the purists who demand no one
> profit, will in the end be far more costly tho those trying to repair their
> Safari than the minimum costs they would incur to keep the site going.
>
> Food for thought.
>
> Robert Fury
> 1994 Safari Continental
>
> ------------------------------------
> Posted by: robertfury@...
> ------------------------------------
>
> Community email addresses:
>   Post message: Safarifriends@onelist.com
>   Subscribe:    Safarifriends-subscribe@onelist.com
>   Unsubscribe:  Safarifriends-unsubscribe@onelist.com
>   List owner:   Safarifriends-owner@onelist.com
>
> Shortcut URL to this page:
>   http://www.onelist.com/community/Safarifriends
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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